ExtDPS and Encounter Duration Modifiers

[Dants]

Originally Posted by EQAditu

Let's take the minimalistic version of the preposed issue. If it were to ignore the first two combatant's start time's (puller and possibly pull target), would that be better? Essentially it would prevent the start time being early due to the tank and one mob... but the very next person or mob to attack it would have the Encounter's Start Time.

I think it'd only make a difference on a few mobs for top guilds (by a few seconds) and might make more of a difference for non-top guilds.

I know in disso, as soon as the tank pulls there are at least 5-6 people bow shotting and many mages nuking which would make the proposed value roughly equal to EXT DPS.

[Johnathon]

I agree, that as soon as a tank figures out to order their combat arts in order of resistability, holding aggro at the beggining is't so hard anymore.

[EQAditu]

Originally Posted by Dants

I think it'd only make a difference on a few mobs for top guilds (by a few seconds) and might make more of a difference for non-top guilds.

I know in disso, as soon as the tank pulls there are at least 5-6 people bow shotting and many mages nuking which would make the proposed value roughly equal to EXT DPS.

So you're saying that you have 5-6 people already attacking before the mob even touches the tank on ranged pulls? That's the only way that they would be equal. That'd happen on multitudes of trash pulls, wouldn't it?

Also take pet pulling something from a distance that has a long range AE that hits the raid(maybe a dot). You're saying you have 5-6 people attacking the mob from 50-100m away?

I'm sorry that I'm being sarcastic, but to me you're being short sighted.

[Johnathon]

I don't think its short sighted.

If certain classes know what their doin (finger over the hideaway button or tank who knows how to hold aggro), then attacking during pull isn't that big of a deal.

I 90% of the time attack either the moment the mob gets close enough to skewer (short range in stealth attack) or just throw a couple hammers his way (flashy throw, double attack ranged combat art + 1 auto attack).

[Dants]

Originally Posted by EQAditu

So you're saying that you have 5-6 people already attacking before the mob even touches the tank on ranged pulls? That's the only way that they would be equal. That'd happen on multitudes of trash pulls, wouldn't it?

Also take pet pulling something from a distance that has a long range AE that hits the raid(maybe a dot). You're saying you have 5-6 people attacking the mob from 50-100m away?

I'm sorry that I'm being sarcastic, but to me you're being short sighted.

I said most, not all. The exceptions would obviously be pet pulls or prox pulls where mobs might social but that'd make up 1% of the content, thus making it not worth your time to implement.

Most of the time it's tank bow pulls, followed by 5-6 scouts bow shotting as well along with a bunch of mages nuking.

[EQAditu]

Would take less time to implement than I have spent on this thread, I'm sure... but the fact that people are actually fighting the idea makes me wonder why I bothered...

[Johnathon]

Def not fighting the idea

Just letting you know that waiting for an assist call may not be the best option for your guild ;-)