Koenig

When it comes to raiding/itemization/progression...tell me how eq2 wins this battle.

MeridianR

It doesn't....ever, and I am not a fan of WoW either.

I did the L60 thing in WoW, and played some instances, but I got sick of it.

EQ2 pretty much sucks donkey balls right now too....while many people think eq2 is going down the shitter now, I think EoF will def. be the make or break point.

Not just from a raiding standpoint, from a game standpoint over all.

Rhaz

Currently? It doesn't, but you have to keep in mind that WoW hasn't had an expansion or a level cap increase yet, and that is pretty much what killed eq2 raiding, or at least the side effects of it. I'm not really sure how the level cap increase will do as far as making old gear obsolete, but from screenshots of green items and the responces on the FoH forums WoW might end up suffering the same problem that happened in eq2 when the level cap was increased, and that is some of the best raid gear being replaced by gear that is green (pretty much treasured). From what I have heard from friends of mine that play wow, it seems like TBC might completely ruin the 3 years worth of end game additions with 5 man instances.

Anyway, TBC will either be a huge success for WoW and continue its great end game progression, or it will suffer for the same reasons eq2 did; making your foundation of content worthless.

For eq2 EoF is the exact opposite, it will be building on the content we have currently in the same tier, and depending on what measures they take to make itemization better it might turn the end game around.

Either way, it should be interesting to see, eq2 is doing what wow has been doing all this time, and wow is finally doing what eq2 has done.

MeridianR

Does anyone have faith in Sony anymore though, that EoF will add the kind of progression and itemization that people want?

Maybe with beta starting on Wednesday we will see how these armor sets take shape, but who knows.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. I just don't see EoF being everything raiders want, since it's a L1-70 expansion, which to me at this point is pretty worthless.

There is more then enough content for L1-69 atm, and shit for content at 70+.

Maybe I will be proved wrong and EoF will give some needed love to raiders, and end up being the savior of EQ2....or maybe it will suck monkey cock, and finally get me off this MMO kick I have been on the past 4 years.

Rampagious

Most people who currently talk up WoW did not play WoW when it came out. Let me give you a little timeline of WoW and tell me if you think it "owns" EQ2. When WoW first came out your raid content consisted of Onyxia, Molten Core, and the retarded instances like Scholo, UBRS and such were all 10 mans (hardly raids, or raid necessary). Onyxia dropped random BoP epics and always tier 2 helms. Molten Core dropped random BoP epics and tier1 AND tier2. About two or three months down the road they released a few world bosses, or contesteds as we know it which at time time, dropped relatively usefull gear (not as good as tier2 for the most part.) Two months after this BWL came out. They realized the mistake they made with itemization and decided that tier 2 would now drop in BWL. So, say you started raiding from the start, there is a chance that going into BWL , you would already have full tier 2, or close to it. So you generally were raiding for nothing, other than weapons and random assorted jewelery. A few months after this ZG was released which was a 20 man raid which dropped no benefits for MC/BWL geared players for the most part. It was released as a gear up for MC. About 7 months after BWL was released AQ came out, it took about 3 more months to open AQ so about 10 months after BWL you could zone into AQ. AQ had tier2.5 which just about NO classes used, generally warlocks, shamans, used it almost always, sometimes mages. It also dropped random BoP epics but for the most part, no one wanted the gear period. Also the final boss of AQ40, C'thun, was gotten to and was unkillable for nearly 2 months before it was patched and fixed. So no, WoW is not perfect with encounter either. Also Vael was broken for quite sometime in BWL. So if you were a warrior, or a rogue, for instance, you would be wearing tier2 from release, til' fucking Naxxaramas came out. Also, for tanking, Thunderfury (drop off of Ragnaross in MC) is the best tanking weapon until you down Kel'Thuzad and get Unending Hunger or w/e its called. Naxx finally has it right. So while naxx is nice, take a look at the past and how long it took them, and imagine playing this game as we do in EQ2, the top of the game and being able to raid from release. I'll tell you right now I wouldn't be able to do it.

Niber

I don't know enough about high end WoW raiding to agree or disagree.

But I do know,

At least they have their fundamental system somewhat figured out.

+ healing

+ damage

And whatever the hell else they use, is a whole lot better than EQ2's:

+ flowing thought

+ regen

+ 15 second [random damage % increase] every 30 minutes

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Feltrak

I like the + crit chance and +damage. Also, if you play a hybrid like a shaman, you need to get +healing gear for raids, and then your +crit chance / spell crit chance for when you are pvping and such.

Also, they have cool effects on some of the gear. One that sticks out in my mind are shaman boots: Increase the speed of your ghost wolf form by 20%. Or how about the.. I think it's like Charger's staff or something, but when equipped it gives your group a +20 Intellect bonus. They have a lot of really sweet items, hell, they've got the trinket slot designed so that you can equip an item with a really sweet effect.

Koenig

Even if you took them this long to get it right that still puts them ahead of eq2, who honestly thinks eof is magically going to fix progression/itemization?

Pinski

Compare the start of WoW to what lies ahead, it could be very bleak.

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Bleak for wow?