TBC Delayed for polish - Page 3

Niber · 10-24-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I thought that was the plan - is there enough raid content in EoF to keep busy raiding 6 days a week, on EoF alone?

I shudder to think about raiding DT week after week through 200fucking7 in the hopes of getting one rare item that might drop every once in a while. I'm just not sure if I can do that.

The question is, I guess, how many days per week of raid content is in EoF?

So true.

Blizzard as a company does nothing but impress me. Love or hate WoW, you still have to respect it as a quality game.

Blizzard makes great games, and they don't fleece their consumers in the process. Dont think Blizzard could have thrown together a couple half ass expansions with reused graphics over the last 2 years? You're kidding yourself.

Morara · 10-24-2006, 08:52 PM

I don't respect WoW as a quality game because the content designers are always months behind the players. "We added a raid!" "We finished it 2 days later!" "We'll add another in 6 months!"

The mechanics are solid, but they can't keep up with the player base, and they drop the ball every single patch day (first, you have to get the patch from random sources, or use the bittorrent spyware thing that keeps running silently in the background. then when the patch is applied, the servers crash for hours at a time over and over for the next day and a half).

Delaying something and providing a quality product are two different things. Daikatana sat in development hell forever as well, and we see how that turned out.

I'll take graphics reused from EQ1 for the next 10 expansions if it means we get more than one raid every 6 months.

Pinski · 10-24-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Morara

I don't respect WoW as a quality game because the content designers are always months behind the players. "We added a raid!" "We finished it 2 days later!" "We'll add another in 6 months!"

The mechanics are solid, but they can't keep up with the player base, and they drop the ball every single patch day (first, you have to get the patch from random sources, or use the bittorrent spyware thing that keeps running silently in the background. then when the patch is applied, the servers crash for hours at a time over and over for the next day and a half).

Delaying something and providing a quality product are two different things. Daikatana sat in development hell forever as well, and we see how that turned out.

I'll take graphics reused from EQ1 for the next 10 expansions if it means we get more than one raid every 6 months.

You know, EQ2 is just as bad for content being months behind. KoS was completed in March, TFD in September(although honestly I'd say there was only about a month worth of content if it had gone live with what it is currently, rather than what went live the way it did). So that gave us "3 months" worth of content, okay, that's great, considering it's now October, which is leaves us 5 months of waiting. Completely shitty.

Btw, comparing Daikatana to anything Blizzard makes is a stupid move. I'm not a huge fan of WoW, however I think Blizzard delays products with good reasons. Starcraft was delayed, Brood War was delayed, Diablo was delayed, Diablo 2 was delayed, Warcraft 3 was delayed, Frozen Throne was delayed, Warcraft Adventures was delayed and later dropped, Starcraft: Ghost was delayed and later dropped. Obviously Blizzard knows a good release from a bad release. And if something is going to be a bad release, they drop it. There's a good reason for the delay, 67+ content hasn't been tested yet, there has been no testing of raid content yet, and there are crash-inducing bugs in the expansion. Yes, let's have Blizzard release something like that, so we can see why SoE is so retarded and does the exact same. How about, they think about it and don't do stupid things like SoE does.

Morara · 10-24-2006, 11:56 PM

While Diablo 2 is nothing short of a masterpiece, it wasn't until 1.10. That's 10 patches later (unless I forgot an interim patch somewhere in there), and quite a few years. The level of technical play possible is frightening, especially given the rest of the PC's titles.

*craft can blow me on Space Mountain during a herpes outbreak. "Click out units, rush" is tedium.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that a lot of the difficulty improvements in 1.10 came after years of bitching about being able to fly through Hell difficulty in the course of 4-5 hours.

Ledbetter · 10-25-2006, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhaz

As much as I agree with your general idea that Blizzard is making a good decision by holding off thier expansion, the statement you made right here is completely untrue. What you fail to realize is that during those two years EQ2 released two expansions, not one. Don't forget about PPR, DMP, FoL, GoAA, PoS, the PoF contesteds, Terrorantula, the orc in clefts, and anything else DoF related. On top of that there was the T'Haen zone, AoW, BAoW, that x2 zone in splitpaw, and SotL. And then theres T7! Labs, Lyceum, Deathtoll, 3 contesteds, HoS, Matron, Chel'Drak, Bonesnapper, Xux'Liao, AoA, ToS, Harla Dar, and anything else I might have forgotten.

Before you say anything I listed has become outdated and essentially useless, keep in mind that all of the current raid gear in WoW can and will be easily replaced with 5 man instance greens or blues. At this point what it comes down to is; everything that Blizzard has added over the past 2 years as far as raid content goes is going to be obsolete with the release of TBC, which is the same problem that drove so many people from EQ2 when DoF was released.

Moral of the story: spend 2 years adding onto the game without any level increase, and when the day of that expansion finally hits, 2 months or 2 years, it's all the same.

PPR - Lets spend 5 hours to clear trash mobs for shitty loot and no Ring!

DMP - 2 Hours of clearing, 3 attempts at Djinn master, healer logs, GG

FoL - pretty stupid raid zone, and it was exploited like a mother fucker with bugged procs and mob leashing.

GoAA - Good zone, bunch of bugs, LEGENDARY LOOT FTW!

PoS - Probably the second best EQ2 raid zone, and it took all of 3 seconds to get to the last boss!

The PoF contesteds, Terrorantula, the orc in clefts, and anything else DoF related. - Ok, EQ2 owns WoW in contested content, no doubt, but was any of the loot from DoF contesteds ever any good? LOVED the shield from Terrorantula that we've seen 674 times.

On top of that there was the T'Haen zone, AoW, BAoW, that x2 zone in splitpaw, and SotL. - Bloodlines was lame, had potential but SOE fucked that up like everything else. AoW/BAoW were fun but short. SotL was good times, but bugged out the ass for at least three weeks, and I still don't think they figured out how to program the (second) Venekor encounter. More than once we had to petition GMs to reset mobs for us. Plus you paid $13 to play in the new zones, plus another $8 for TFD.

And then theres T7! - T7 is garbage. Vyemms, DT, AoA, HoS (third Venekor encounter TEEHEE), LoA, all pathetic zones. No real challenge in any except a one-hit kill mitigation debuff in HoS that was just there to annoy people since no real game mechanic prevented it (maybe they've changed it since I left).

Face it, T7 was beat in two months by every guild who tried. Vyemms, DT, etc.. Since then, give or take the likely bad pull, T7 was farm status.

Which brings me to my point, SOE releases content that is trivial and easy within 2-3 months. Therefore must come up with a new $30 expansion or $8 Adventure pack to keep people happy, and guess what!? ITS ALWAYS THE SAME BORING ASS SHIT WITH NEW PAINT!

Sure, WoW has like what, 4 real raid zones, 6 if you count 20 mans and 7 if you count the one 10 man zone, however, there is still over 5 million people breaking their asses off every day to learn a lot of that shit. The top 0.5 to 1% of the raiding in guilds have beaten Naxxramas. Everyone else is still working to get better gear, better players, and better strats to work their way up to the end.

Hell, if TBC doesn't come out until May, there will still be 80% of the raiding guilds trying to beat Naxx or C'Thun.

And don't for once think anyone will be replacing 95% of Naxx loot any time soon. The shit that drops in Naxx won't be replaced until well into 10 and 25 man content. Same goes for about 80% of AQ40 loot. However, BWL loot will be replaced at around level 65, and no, you won't have to buy a full set of Cobalt armor to be better. You will gradually get upgrades as you take on true(not the bs 'hard-mode' shit SOE came up with) hard-mode 5 and 10 man instances.

Your EQ2 content at it's finest..

"Oh ok, Vyemms tonight.. Let's see, three hours and everythings dead, collect phat loot, turn in relic to look cool (but serves no real purpose since the game can be beaten with player crafted gear), go home, good game!"

The first week of new shit in EQ2; "Damn we died 10x, all armor broke, half the guild wants to quit the game because no one has money since everything possible to farm is BORING, LETS ALL COME BACK IN 7 DAYS! YAY!"

Then there's the second week; "WOOT HALLS OF SEEING CLEARED!, WOOT, DEATH TOLL CLEARED!! FAAAAAAAAARM STATUS BITCHES!"

Two months later; "Hey GUYS! HEY GUYS! OMG THERE IS ANOTHER EXPANSION/ADVENTURE PACK COMING OUT! SELL EVERYTHING!! NONE OF IT MATTERS ANYMORE!!!"

Wash.

Rinse.

Repeat.

Morara · 10-25-2006, 04:03 AM

I'd put 3P, Chel'Drak, and Matron against everything in WoW to date.

Telpacpaw · 10-25-2006, 04:26 AM

Blizzard absolutely fucking DOMINATES the game world compared to Sony.

In the beginning, the companies all have their vision on what's "going to be" and eventually it gets all fucked up for one reason or another. Usually it's MMO-related. No one whines and bitches as much as when some aspect of an MMO is being delayed. Single/multiplayer games have just as many, if not more--followers. But they're more tolerant. If something gets delayed, people whine and bitch, but these developers don't HAVE to bend to their will and release an unfinished game. They just say " Hey, our fucking game isn't finished yet, go eat another Star Crunch and wait it out, reject." And you know what? People usually do just that.

I guess what I'm trying to say to the Big Wigs, is that if you want cash now, call J. G. Wentworth, you bogus assclowns. Don't fuck with our heritage and ruin everything just to make a few million extra bucks.

Niber · 10-25-2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Morara

I'd put 3P, Chel'Drak, and Matron against everything in WoW to date.

Maybe because you don't know any better? Rapture can't even beat ChelDrak. =p (Sorry Guys!)

ChelDrak and 3P are great because of the the one mechanic they both share. Which I admit is a good one that will probably be used even more in EoF.

Our server hasn't beaten Matron yet, but I hardly consider it a game defining encounter for EQ2. Challeging yes, but not something for the Devs to hang their hat on. The first two needless phases make me want to pluck my eyeballs out and having to use a 5th group isn't something I'd give kudos for.

Illuminator · 10-25-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhaz

At this point what it comes down to is; everything that Blizzard has added over the past 2 years as far as raid content goes is going to be obsolete with the release of TBC, which is the same problem that drove so many people from EQ2 when DoF was released.

Moral of the story: spend 2 years adding onto the game without any level increase, and when the day of that expansion finally hits, 2 months or 2 years, it's all the same.

Oh my day! I walked these roads long and weary in search of a One who saw the light! And here s/he is!

Rhaz · 10-25-2006, 09:37 AM

Led, join a real WoW guild, and you'll see the same shit that EQ2 has. Lucky for you, and most other people that go play wow, you get stuck in some piece of shit guild. What were you last time I asked, Fourth on your server.. on Alliance side? And if I remember correctly your server hadn't even OPENED AQ by the time it was beaten on like half the other servers. At least, thats what Marley told me. So grats on being in a piece of shit guild, pretty much comparable to a guild that does labs relic runs. G fuckin' G. Drop those losers, join a guild that's worth something, and learn that any good guild in WoW does the same thing any good guild in EQ2 does. Farm instances.