Dethnite

I have officially watched some the of the most disturbing things. Happen recently. I have travelled many paths though EQ1 and EQ2, and have yet to come accross this. I was a member of Blood Rain, and had really been looking forward to future endeavours as I am a lower lvl. Our guild leaders were very nice, and helped when they could. Our main leader has been fighting cancer for some time now. I dont know many details except this donor may be his last chance. While he is in the hospital awaiting the donor to show up, he gets a message saying the donor backed out at the last minute. So he goes home, log onto the game to find 3 of his top raid maintank grp recruited by ancient prophecy. Blood Rain and Ancient Prophecy have been very close alliance guilds. Since then many others have left and were offered officer status as well as loot. It just sickens me, a man is handling some RL serious medical issues, then things like this happen...

Allysarriall

Well I want to say they're complete fucktards for doing something like that because it does make them sound like douches with no hearts . However if your leader is going to be gone for a while even for something like that expecting people to put their game time on hold is unrealistic. Most people play the game to have fun during the time they're on and if they want to raid and cant for whatever reason then I can see why something like that would happen.

On a side note, best of luck to your guild leader.

Cosine

You speak about something you have no knowledge of. AP did not actively recruit your players. Your players chose to move to a new guild (within their alliance) when your guild was discussing taking time off.

There is no ill will between Blood Rain and AP. This drama is in your head. Zaxor is a close friend and I care for him and Domi.

You slander people and run down a guild without having any facts, that is a shame. If you have issues with your former members why aren't you here denouncing them as traitors and cold hearted bastards.

Your drama is malicious and cowardly. Your immature post serves only to embarrass and dishonor yourself. The next time, get your facts from senior leadership. What a cop out that you're only a newb in the guild. What an excuse to say whatever asinine bs you feel like spouting.

Satine

You tell him Cosine... its true we are and have been friends with the Leaders of BR for a few years now. The fact that you so immaturely decided to gossip about us with no concept of what actually happened is utterly and completely rediculous. We know about the RL stuff he is going through and yes WE DO CARE about his donor backing out on him at the last minute... for you to sit here and say otherwise sickens ME! The fact that you would say such slanderous things about us is uphauling and shows especially that you do not know us on a personal level at all.

Allysarriall ...the fact that you can take one persons word without hearing the other side so easily shows how gullable you can be. If someone was saying messed up crap about JoTO... You wouldn't see me saying some ignorant crap like you did w/o hearing what the other side had to say in their defense first!

Satine

I also would like to add the fact that AP and BR are still allies ...so its funny to me that some noob in the guild is going to sit here and talk crap about their own allies :P

Mathayus

As a leader of AP and friend to many in Blood Rain I am quite confused as to what you are talking about. First off, the leaders of Blood Rain were former members of AP. They left us to form there own guild, yet AP leaders still allowed them to join there alliance and raid with them with no hard feelings. It has been a fun alliance and we have progressed greatly..we started from not even killing one thing in Protectors Realm to clearing everything in T1 easily, clearing most of soh and most of T2. Hopefully the person writing this (don't see the name Dethnite in the BR roster so I am assuming you either quit the guild yourself or are just chickenshit) will have the balls to stand up and maybe explain where all this is coming from and why, so we dont have to end a great alliance over something stupid.

As far as the decision of three people leaving, which included a husband and wife and there best friend was based upon a leaderless guild. How can you blame them. The main leaders left for an indefinite period of time due to medical reasons, the other co-leader is more of a casual player that is not on very much and does not attend any events due to either time constrictions or disinterest. As far as the officers I do not know all of them but I know that one of them...a fury...has not been seen for well over a month and just recently came back and two other officers..not to mention any names but a brigand and swashy that both quit the guild several days before the three that left joined AP. Besides these three officers before the three in question quit several other level eightys in the guild quit as well.

You need to remember that EQ2 is a game and meant to have fun with. If you are in an empty leaderless guild you probably are not having fun are you? Myself and the BR leaders spent about an hour on vent togethor about a week ago. We discussed the future and what is going to happen. You might want to confront your leadership as to what is going on before any further bullshit stories of betrayal appear...Atleast get your facts straight for next time.

Also, I find it humerous that Allysarrial decided to add in her two cents..Just a few days ago...dont remember if it was myself or an alt of mine got in an arguement over a rock that I supposedly stole from her. I was met with profantitys about stealing her node. I explained to her that it is not possible once someone is harvesting it locks it from other people..Her excuse was we raced after the same node and she just woke up and didnt click it fast enough...oh fucken well..I guess that was my fault.
To end this on a positive note I would like to wish Zaxor the best of luck in finding a donor so that he can come back and join us again...We all miss you Zaxor and I am personally sorry for creating more drama by responding to this but the ignorance of others that have no clue about the situation needs to be dealt with.

Sall Amander

I will start by saying I do not know the person who started this post, nor do I know the person that made the first negative response. Therefore I will not speak out against them. I have no ill will towards any and when this is all said and done, I look forward to playing with either of you, in any zone, for any cause.

The thread makes mention of three members of the main tank group of an allianced guild named Blood Rain, allied guild Ancient Prophecy. Lets first discuss exactly who we are talking about as the names will come out eventually anyhow. The three players in question here are myself, Sall Amander lvl 80 Guardian, my wife Pebles lvl 80 Defiler, and our best in game friend Kanschie lvl 80 Coercer.

The situation as discussed is completely true, through the eyes of someone that knows nothing of the full truth. Here is the actual progress of occurances from the beginning.

My wife and I have played this game together for over 2 and a half years. I myself have played everquest 1 and everquest 2 since 1999. I am very familiar with what makes a good player, a good group, a good raid and a good guild. One of the biggest problems that my wife and I continually ran into was the constant power problem of my Guardain. Then we met Kanschie in a PUG in SOS. Call it love at first channel. From that moment, the three of us were pretty much joined at the hip. Each time we tackled a new zone, the three of us would do it together. Each time one needed money, a mob, or a quest completed, the other two were there. Still today, where one goes, the other two are not far from them.

We made our own guild called Tribute and we constantly grinded out RoK zones to level and gear our char's the best we could. All the time we constantly invited any players for the PUG's of the zones. We became aware of the knowledge that we were pretty much capable of running any RoK zone with the three of us and any three other players. This started the making of our friends list where we kept in contact with those players from the PUG's that we liked the most. We still talk to most of those players today.

As we all well know, grinding out the same zones over and over again becomes tiresome and somewhat boring. That is when we decided to search for a guild. I knew that both an 80 defiler and an 80 coercer would be a welcomed asset to most any guild, however an extra 80 guardian is no more than a burden. We created a vast list of possible guilds and spoke with many officers, members and leaders. We finally came down to a very few guilds, and at the top of that list was Ancient Prophecy.

We contacted the leadership of Ancient Prophecy and were allowed to particpate on a Protector's Realm raid with them. The raid did not go so well and I am not sure we even killed the first mob. During that raid it was made mention that the alliance guild did not show up, or was not able to send as many players as normal and therefore they had to get alot of pick up players to fill the spots. The alliance guild was Blood Rain.

We played with several Blood Rain members over the course of the next week and found them to be pretty good players. The entire time, we continued to talk with Ancient Prophecy about thier guild. We participated in the next PR raid which went much better than the week before. Although not completely successful, we saw leadership in the Blood Rain ranks, since it was their turn to host the alliances raid.

We contacted the leader of Blood Rain, Zaxor, and spoke with him about his guild. It became known quickly that he was former military, as are the three of us. This one fact is what made us pick Blood Rain over Ancient Prophecy. The comment from some Ancient Prophecy members about our decision to join Blood Rain over them was "It is okay, you will still be tanking for both of our guilds." And that is a completely true comment.

Over the course of a few months the BR/AP alliance has progressed from getting the dog snot beat out of them in PR, to nearly beating T2 raid zones on our first try. The alliance has been extremely good to both guilds, and all members of each. However, the three of us started noticing a trend.

A little over a month ago, the three of us started noticeing that not only was AP able to fill its alliance spots with ease, but it also was able to fill the slots that BR was not capable of filling on its own. The alliance raids went from a 50/50 split to a 55/45 and eventually as much as 65/35 split. It was becomming more and more evident that out of the two guilds, if the alliance was to split, AP would be the stronger of the two guilds, and more apt to survive the split. We became weary of BR's ability to hold together if such an occurance occured. As such, we started discussing possible solutions.

Some of the suggestions we had for ourselves was higher tier guilds, which we have had offers for. Even today, there are higher tier guilds which ask us if we will give them a shot. We discussed going to one of those guilds, going back to Tribute, or stay with our alliance and go to Ancient Prophecy.

All of these discussions started taking place long before Zaxor went into the hospital. Although I knew he was sick, I did not know it was to this extreme and that he would be undergoing such a surgery in the near future. It was a suprise to me on the day when Zaxor's wife asked me if I would maintain the guild during their absence for possibly a few months. I knew in my head the discussions that my wife and my friend were having, and I could not in true conscience give my word that I would give my all to BR in thier absence. Therefore I refused that position of authority.

During the very first week or two of the absence, we saw a tremendous decline in guild activity, especially in the raids. AP had to start filling more and more of the alliance spots and it went so far as AP had to ask friends and once or twice, in level chat, to fill the final spots.

During our discussions as to what to do with ourselves and our guild situation it was brought up amongst us on several occasions that we would all three feel somewhat like traitors to BR if we went to AP. However, we would feel like traitors to the entire alliance if we went to any other guild outside of the alliance. We reached the conclussion that the entire alliance was pretty much our guild and as such, going to AP would still be our alliance. We would still be tanking for, healing for and providing addittional resources for exactly the same people as we always have been for the last 3 months. We still expected traitorous comments and were not looking forward to them.

Up until this post, not a single comment has been made to me, my wife, or kanschie (to my knowledge) about our moving to AP from BR. We have grouped with BR members, AP members and the same friends we have always played with. The questions from BR or AP members about the move were asked directly to us in a tell, instead of spouted out in open forum for all to see. It had come to my assumption that there were probably only 2 to 3 people that were actually disgusted with our actions. I have not heard from any of the three in any form. I wish I would have been contacted so I could have set a few things straight before such actions as this started to occur.

In closeing all I can say is, I still play with my wife, my best in game friend, and I still tank for the same players I have been tanking for for the last 3 months. To me, the only thing that has changed is the words above my chars head. I will still attempt to play with old friends, attempt to meet new players, and will always hold one to two positions in most any group I make for some PUG players I do not know. That is me, that is the way I have always been, and that is the way I always will be.

There will be no further comments from myself, or my wife. However I can not speak on Kanschie's behalf for anything he might want to add. I hope you enjoyed the read, I hope you understand the truth in its entire form, and I hope to play with all of you in game soon. Send me an invite, and if not busy, I will accept.




Sall Amander
80 Iksar Guardian

Satine

/applauds ...well said Math and Sall!



Hey one more thing I feel I just HAVE to say... whoever it is that started the 'they offered them loot and officer status' rumor is just immature and lame!!! ...and those who bought that crap... c'mon now... who the hell would do something so lame?!!! ...All three will gain their promotions like everyone else.

to whoever you are that started that BS rumor!!!

Kanschie

Sall basically said everything i would of said, there is not much i could add. It was not a easy decision and one we did not take lightly, but we do want to progress the same as any other.

Zaxor knows we are all pulling for him regardless of whatever the coward that started this thread assumes. Me and my wife are praying for you.

*note* There was never any items or officer status offered, we all started as recruits and are currently working up to regular membership.

Take care

Kanschie

Pwnstrrr

Well I'm glad this was settled through words and not e-violence

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