Gonzo

20 points in each tree doesn't seem like there needs to be a nerf to do so. I mean whatelse is there? STR/INT and Repeated Stabbing and Frontload, everything else is meh! Other classes should worry since there seems to be much more diversity so 40 extra AA is going to be a huge boost.

To take into account our beloved brother the "Ranger". I am guess they went STR/AGI to start but now they get INT, at least I would if I was a Ranger. Picture that fucking upgrade.

Definitely going to be some kind of nerf but I would be pist to see the Assassin on that list since our trees already blow for the most part.

IMO, the only possible "exploit" that might spell nerf for the assassin AA tree would probably going WIS with 8 in Obfuscation and getting Getaway in the EoF. Not going break barriers on the parse but with the right type of player that is pretty strong. Right now it's just not reasonable to go WIS in the KoS tree with STR and INT being as strong as they are.

The STA tree looks the best for DPS, but still not amazing and nerf worthy. Surrounding Attacks only works with auto-attack so no CA triggers (I'm guessing this will still trigger poison). 16% chance of this occuring is not ridiculously huge, since only 30-40% of our attacks are autoattack. And how many of those are going to involve attacking multiple targets in raids?

Chox

If i was a ranger it would be agi/int...why would I need str?

Gonzo

Yeah now that I went back and looked at the tree alittle more I wouldn't go STR either, my fault. Your right. Although Perfectionist would be nice, I would probably boost other areas over STR.

Chox

With the 40 new ones I would prolly work perf in there some how.

Chox

I mean 20

Vaanir

Yeah sure, confused?

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Chox

Confused? About what? There are going to be an additional 40pts, 20 for each tree, so 70 total for each tree. 140 AP's in all.

Gonzo

Definitely. Right now for me it's between STR/INT/WIS and Repeated/Frontload/Getaway or STR/INT/STA Repeated/Frontload/Bleeding.

I am thinking there has to be something I am missing with Obfuscation mixing with Perfectionist, and Repeated Stabbing. Also what effect it would have on Getaway.

First Getaway. In-game the re-use timer on Getaway is 45 seconds, and on this site Assassin AA Tree it has it listed as a 1 min 30 second recast timer. If this is all true then Perfectionist's recast timer buff doesn't work with this spell or at least its not registering in-game. So my conclusion is Getaway is on a 45 second recast and with Obfuscation at 8, it becomes a 22.5 second recast.

My whole issue with Getaway was the points needed to get it, but with 20 extra points coming in next update. There is no reason not to have it. Also a 45 second recast is likely to block only 1 of 2 AoE's. With a recast of 22.5 seconds and most Epic AoE's on a 30 second recast, timed right you will block that AoE every time it is ready to go off. No is a pretty powerful word, and an ability that says NO to the most threatened aspect of an Epic IMO is pretty Huge.

Also with Obfuscation at 8, all stealth recast timers are cut in half and the following CA has it's damage increased by 8%. In Combination with Repeated Stabbing the recovery time is also cut in half. Now take Masked Attack which is on a 10 second recast but add in this combo and its now 5 seconds, with a .25 second cast and recovery. It also deals a good bit of damage, more than Scraping and it can be used twice as much. Not to mention the following CA also has a damage increase regardless of what it is, since it say the following attack has it's damage increased (not particularly a stealthed attack).

Saying that is the 8% increase stackable with the Perfectionists 15% too all 1min or more CA's? If so, those two in combination is a nice boost to a good portion of our CA's. Still don't think its going to be groundbreaking since this combo would change the way an Assassin would be played, and should balance itself out.

So yeah I am really thinking about the WIS line. However I am still guessing there is some kind of errata with this type of combo. Once I do hit 140 AA, I plan on trying it out.

Raina

Obfuscation only affects the Surveil and Stealth lines of spells, so using masked attack would not give you the bonus. You have to use surveil or stealth to get the 8% dmg on the next CA. It would not affect Getaway.

Perfectionist only affects Killing Blade and Decap, so you could only combine on those two abilities and would have to use surveil or stealth first.

Gonzo

Ahh so not Stealth abilities, only Stealth itself. Took it as being any ability that grants stealth. Wow! What an misinterpretation on my part. I knew there was something I was overlooking. Thanx man.

Yeah I know perfectionist only works on those two. I meant combined as them both together would effect almost all our CA's (except cheap shot, concealment). I knew concealment wouldn't work since it doesn't grant stealth, the next CA grants stealth.

Oh well, guess its STR/INT/STA then.