Shit Groups (venting) - Page 3

Hoss · 10-25-2007, 11:20 PM

I don't think anyone was giving me haste or dps in that group. I remember looking at my persona window and all I had was what i could self buff. I can't imagine the fury not giving me agitate, but is that a proc or a full time buff? Maybe the rest of the melee buffs were on the SK and I didn't get em because I didn't know what to ask for. Are the troub melee buffs groupwide or single target?

-h

Hoss · 10-25-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crychtonn - Bylar

Considering you have such trouble understanding a game as simple as EQ2 that doesn't surprise me lol. Nice to see you revert to the gay insults like normal. Starting to think you're either a closet homosexual or a homophobe (sp?).

Please continue making foolish rants like you did to start this thread though. It's great entertainment reading all the posts from your peers pointing out how little you know lol.

Yeah I was a little off my game, so i went with the tried and true. I knew it was old news, but i thought talking about your tranny gf might still cut a little. I promise to do better next time.

Yes, you spelled homophobe correctly.

Find me a post where I claimed to know it all. That'd make this whole thing hil-fuckin-arious, wouldn't it?

-h

Crychtonn - Bylar · 10-26-2007, 01:01 AM

lawls

Hoss impression - derrr what's Agitate

lawls

Just to damm funny

Rigorr · 10-26-2007, 01:56 AM

you two kids should hire a sandpit to play in tbh.

agitate looks like a fist on a red background

If you arent getting the buffs you feel you should be getting - speak to the person, and if they cant give you a decent reason for having them on someone else, speak to your raid leader; compromising the raid's dps is stupid. Meanwhile you should really visit the class forums, and find out what buffs each healer gives that is worthwhile, as well as coercer, illu, dirge, and troub- and make sure you know what the buffs look like! As an addendum, I would suggest trying to improve your dps to a point to which you are always given the best dps group possible purely because you are hitting the highest. It works for me.

Jayad · 10-26-2007, 02:33 AM

Troubs aren't usually running their haste buff in caster type groups. (With an illusionist, they don't need to). Mainly they provide DKTM and sometimes STR. Dirges provide a lot more. You can have the troub+fury buffs, I'll take a dirge + another healer :P

Rigorr · 10-26-2007, 04:35 AM

troubs have the conc to run their haste and str buffs, as well as all pertinent caster buffs. they can't cast a resist song, or their self buff though if they do this; but wtf cares, really?
dirges provide more than a troub for us maybe, but not that much when you think about it. - cob and tombs are the only 2 buffs, and do they really equate to the dps/haste and str/agi buff from agitate (unless you run a fury in a scout grp ofc)
inq's add more to rangers and swashies with dps buffs, we are at the softcap(by softcap i mean the beginning of the diminishing returns curve-selfbuffed without a ring proc i'm at 94dps) and it's pretty easy to reach the hard cap of 200.
troub, illu+fury buffs are easily equal to a dirge and a healer imo.

Meta · 10-26-2007, 05:55 AM

/sigh a troub is not just a buff bot. Unless the troub is being boxed and just on autofollow, he/she should be running the usual 5 buffs. There's just no sense in running any others. If the troub wasn't running his haste buff, he needs to ltp. There's sharp pointy things in his hands that do more damage when they swing faster - regardless of whether there's a melee class in the group.

Fury + Troub + 3 casters is sweet for an assassin. The only thing you're missing out on is buffs to increase proc %. But if you have a warlock as one of your mages then well at least you have some of this. Without an illu you're missing a bit of haste, but with troub haste, agitate (procs like mad) and monk raidwide haste you'll be close to the cap most of the time. Only thing you're missing out on really is IA - but you have fortissimo (unless your troub is a retard).

There's no reason why you can't be pushing for top spot in the parse with this group. Keep swindlers luck going to cap your piercing, use frontload on anything with a tonne of hp, and get jesters before your concealment chain.

Glad you get a 50 dkp minus for this. If you can't dps with troub and fury you should maybe try a less challenging class.

Manratten · 10-26-2007, 10:22 AM

Hoss,
I was actually swinging down to the necro forums, when I saw the title of the thread, which I thought would be interesting. I was actually presuming you'd be talking about SoF and a lame MT or something, so thought it was humorous when I saw you were talking about us.

I definitely disagree on some points. We hardly killed any trash whatsoever. I mean, we killed 1 before Sarik, killed 2 mushrooms before the Mistress, zilch before we fought the Prince, and zilch before the Tender. It is conceivable that I am remembering this different, but 3 trash mobs are less then we fight before we even get out of the freaking river normally.

As for fighting named previously, you can't compare fighting the Rumbler for 2 hours with the rest. From an assassin perspective, the Rumbler is just flat out burn, spawn the multsr, burn some more. You don't do a thing except swing away, so from your point of view, I can see why you think your DPS was down. You'll notice the rumbler was not up for us last time, so, we didn't do much DPS against him.

You can't compare runs like that, and blame the group setups. Well, let me rephrase, you can, it just won't serve any purpose.

Catseyes · 10-26-2007, 10:37 AM

and get jesters before your concealment chain.

Dang,that means i have to make a macro with the concealment CA to ass a /tell Troub_01 jester me plz ...
or really before ?

we raiding almost without troub mostly so not used with their buffs...

Rigorr · 10-26-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Meta

Fury + Troub + 3 casters is sweet for an assassin. The only thing you're missing out on is buffs to increase proc %. But if you have a warlock as one of your mages then well at least you have some of this. Without an illu you're missing a bit of haste, but with troub haste, agitate (procs like mad) and monk raidwide haste you'll be close to the cap most of the time. Only thing you're missing out on really is IA - but you have fortissimo (unless your troub is a retard).

your post is quite correct except for this statement imo.

IA is 25% da, fortissimo isn't quite that much last I checked, also they stack.. so it really is quite a lot of damage you miss.
also
troub haste is 27, monk 22, and 70ish from agitate, which is ~80 from the cap, ~60 if you have a nice haste item; and 0 if you have the illu haste buff (+75 with set bonus)

a mage group with no illu is a massive drop in dps imo, also you dont have to wait for agitate to proc with an illu in group.
I'd rather be in a dirge group than a mage group with no illu/fury/troub, the warlock is icing on the cake really.