No, WIS is NOT fixed. - Page 8

aduros · 11-16-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinkfinger

I got a question for the people thinking of taking Wis.

you going to want to run the concealment chain with Fatal followup.

so you hit concealment, ((assuming this is changed/fixed)) so your next CA will be 8 percent more.

it cant be any of your big hitters cause your not in stealth yet? right?

even if it was your big hitter say execute 30,000k thats 32400, with the 8 percent.

do you really thing that 8 percent is even going to be noticeable?

If concealment is fixed it would be 8% on your whole concealment combo, plus FFU. Also it would depend if the 8% is calculated before or after crits. Say it's good or bad all you want, judging by what you see on paper; however, your better off waiting until all lines have been used, and parsed out thoroughly before declaring a clear winner. It's looking more like our EoF tree, since they all seem pretty viable, depending on the situation. Time will tell.

Catseyes · 11-19-2007, 10:04 AM

ppl talk about perfectionnist, but it's a 35% speed cast on long CA. Thu, our long CAs arent long to cast but to recast. We have nothing that need to be speeded up to cast. It's not like somes long casting times rangers ones.

For me, perfectionnist is totally a waste,as so far, it seems to me that all our CA are almost instant (well, 35% speed up on 0,5 sec isnt really an upgrade ,is it ? ) .

Ranged crit ? that''s arguable. May be if you intend to fight ranged on some events, cycling 2 CA only (or 3) during each fight is kinda marginal to use the some crits % we'll get. And, if you re lucky to get a high hitter bow like RSB or RoK-like one, you 'll prolly get more aggro than you would want with it.

On other hand, Sta, aven if most of encounters will be single, will give us more hps, something always good to get in big AEs. And the hurricane-like can be a save the day one in some situations.

my 2 cpers /hide

aduros · 11-19-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

ppl talk about perfectionnist, but it's a 35% speed cast on long CA. Thu, our long CAs arent long to cast but to recast. We have nothing that need to be speeded up to cast. It's not like somes long casting times rangers ones.

For me, perfectionnist is totally a waste,as so far, it seems to me that all our CA are almost instant (well, 35% speed up on 0,5 sec isnt really an upgrade ,is it ? ) .

I think you have Perfectionist confused with the AGI endline. If you drop Perfectionist, your character deserves to be deleted to save us all the trouble.

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

Ranged crit ? that''s arguable. May be if you intend to fight ranged on some events, cycling 2 CA only (or 3) during each fight is kinda marginal to use the some crits % we'll get. And, if you re lucky to get a high hitter bow like RSB or RoK-like one, you 'll prolly get more aggro than you would want with it.

If a tank can't hold aggro against you with an RSB or greater bow, I sincerely hope there are no rangers raiding with you.

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

On other hand, Sta, aven if most of encounters will be single, will give us more hps, something always good to get in big AEs. And the hurricane-like can be a save the day one in some situations.

I don't really see how Hurricane would have a 'save the day' effect. If anything it would be more likely to rip aggro to you, than save a raid. Personally I've yet to witness a situation where everyone thanked the Swash, and his hurricane for saving the day.

The real key to DPS this expansion is Smoke Bomb, plain and simple.

Catseyes · 11-19-2007, 10:48 AM

yeah you re right, i mixed some posts and so mixed poised with perfectionnist.

Replace perfectionnist with poise , coz i ve read in at least two previous posts that it wasnt worthing going agi without taking last AA :
unless you plan on giving up intox theres no point in going AGI if your not getting the last ability.. stam would be way better..

(i wont say names but you all know who ! )

someone, has even talked about dropping intox for agi end AA....

So , we were well taking about poise ? poise for an assassin ?

=> Ranged crits and aggro, yes i aggree for rangers, but we already deal a lot of melee dmg , we already crit ranged , more crits = more additionnal dmg to aggro weal with. But may be yes, with high end tanks it's not a problem ,i was wondering.

=> smoke bombs whynot, but you drop what then ? intox ?

aduros · 11-19-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

someone, has even talked about dropping intox for agi end AA....

So , we were well taking about poise ? poise for an assassin ?

Yea I kno it's hard to stomach, but I would say try it out and compare, I definitely noticed a difference ZW with AGI (end line, no Intox, compared to STA) Intox is a 2min recast, where poise is on 24/7. But in the end it mostly caters to which playstyle you prefer the most. I'm a spammer and love Poise combined with Repeated Stabbing. Especially when the mob is at its last 30%, and its a fight to sneak in whatever you can before it keels over.

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

Ranged crits and aggro, yes i aggree for rangers, but we already deal a lot of melee dmg , we already crit ranged , more crits = more additionnal dmg to aggro weal with. But may be yes, with high end tanks it's not a problem ,i was wondering.

Our 2 biggest weaknesses are Ranged, and AoE damage. Theres very little aoe fights, so the more you improve on your other Achilles heel, the greater your ZW will be.

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

smoke bombs whynot, but you drop what then ? intox ?

Smoke Bomb right now is deffenitely the way to go for DPS. But if your gonna specc that way keep it hush hush. It's bugged atm and giving us huge amounts of damage. The more you blab about it, the greater your chance for a rollback will be.

Stinkfinger · 11-19-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aduros

If concealment is fixed it would be 8% on your whole concealment combo, plus FFU. Also it would depend if the 8% is calculated before or after crits. Say it's good or bad all you want, judging by what you see on paper; however, your better off waiting until all lines have been used, and parsed out thoroughly before declaring a clear winner. It's looking more like our EoF tree, since they all seem pretty viable, depending on the situation. Time will tell.

oh I see you people think it will work on the "whole combo"

yes well that would be something to look at if that was the case. No way that will ever be the case, it says the CA following stealth...not the CA's.

but at least I understand what you wis people are thinking about. Although it will never work that way.

Gonzo · 11-19-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aduros

Smoke Bomb right now is deffenitely the way to go for DPS. But if your gonna specc that way keep it hush hush. It's bugged atm and giving us huge amounts of damage. The more you blab about it, the greater your chance for a rollback will be.

Really?? How so??

aduros · 11-20-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Really?? How so??

As mentioned before the effect is not something you want to talk, about over a public forum or PMs. Some dumbass brig kept going on and on about the planar orb, posting logs and such, and ended up getting that nerfed for everyone. Your best bet is to just try it, and notice the DPS boost you receive when in use.

Karel · 11-20-2007, 08:56 AM

And why do you think it's that way dipshit? Because if it's not working as intended it has to be fixed. Planar Orb wasn't nerfed, the ticks weren't supposed to trigger procs. Using a line that you know it's broken to get an edge is pathetic.

If you know there is something not working as intended that is giving you an edge you should report it.

aduros · 11-20-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Karel

And why do you think it's that way dipshit? Because if it's not working as intended it has to be fixed. Planar Orb wasn't nerfed, the ticks weren't supposed to trigger procs. Using a line that you know it's broken to get an edge is pathetic.

If you know there is something not working as intended that is giving you an edge you should report it.

If you don't want to use Smoke Bomb, fine thats up to you. I for one won't help you get it nerfed. As far as I'm concerned, its working as intended™.