No, WIS is NOT fixed.

Steelbadger · 11-11-2007, 07:08 AM

The 8% bonus does NOT apply to Concealment, stop saying that it does.

Firstly: The bonus has always appeared on Concealment when you have ranks of Obfuscation, it is in the WRONG place. It applies to the Combat Stealth effect ONLY, NOT the shroud effect (The shroud effect is the stealth you cast from; the combat stealth effect lasts 0.1 seconds and merely serves to trigger the shroud effect). There has been NO change to how Obfuscation works with respect to Concealment so far.

If that where not enough, I did some testing today:

I used Pinpoint Blade (because of short recast) as the skill to measure by. I ignored all crits as well.

When I used Slip Away and Masked Strike (these DO NOT have the Obfuscation bonus applied to them) before Pinpoint it averaged at 1058 dmg.

When I used Stealth and Spy (these DO have the Obfuscation bonus applied to them) before Pinpoint it averaged at 1198.8 dmg

When I only used Concealment before Pinpoint it averaged at 1078.4 dmg

There we see that Obfuscation ONLY applies a damage bonus onto Stealth and Spy lines. NOT Slip Away, Masked Strike NOR Concealment.

So NOTHING has changed.

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aduros · 11-11-2007, 07:39 AM

Are you on live or beta?

If your in beta: /bug it, make a post on the OFFICIAL BETA FORUMS, and stop bitching over here.

If your on live: well then your an idiot.

Phantom · 11-11-2007, 08:02 AM

Well you can answer your own Question about beta if you read his post it clearly says Pinpoint and Masked Strike - ROK Abilities.

Unless hes just a f'ing retard.

Most things don't work entirely correct on the first try when they change shit, so it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't working as it should be. /bug, with the info you presented here.

Steelbadger · 11-11-2007, 08:10 AM

There IS a post about it on the beta forums, it has been bugged and I am both in beta AND a complete retard.

Also: This is not bitching, this is pointing out that all the assassins jerking off about the WIS line at the moment are likely to be sorely disappointed.

Ok, I think that covers all points that needed clarification

aduros · 11-11-2007, 08:52 AM

I'm not too worried. At the rate things have been going, I'm pretty confident it will be working by the time live hits.

Gonzo · 11-11-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Steelbadger

Firstly: The bonus has always appeared on Concealment when you have ranks of Obfuscation, it is in the WRONG place. It applies to the Combat Stealth effect ONLY, NOT the shroud effect (The shroud effect is the stealth you cast from; the combat stealth effect lasts 0.1 seconds and merely serves to trigger the shroud effect). There has been NO change to how Obfuscation works with respect to Concealment so far.

Concealment says "On the next successful attack this spell will cast Combat Stealth on target." IGNORE the 0.1 sec thing because I don't see where that even comes into question. Combat Stealth is just the cast to put you into stealth.

Obfuscation says nothing other than "Increases the damage of the following combat art by 8%". To me that means, you hit Concealment and the NEXT COMBAT ART has it's damage increased by 8%. So you would cast Concealment, any CA, which then triggers Combat Stealth, then both the damage increase and Shroud come into effect. So whats going be your next attack?? Shroud clearly wasn't your next CA, the sequence is still waiting to be finished. The next Combat art should be effected. And the next, and again, and again until Combat Stealth can no longer be triggered.

By where it is placed, Obfuscation has no bearing on Combat Stealth nor Shroud. Just that "the next combat art has it's damage increased by 8%". Even the description says "the next Combat Art made from stealth has it's damage increased". So to me the placement doesn't sway it to it working or not working, just that it is there.

Hopefully with the release note it will be clearly stated whether it works or not. It is either it doesn't work and Obfuscations effect should not be listed with Concealment. Or it is intended to work but isn't due to a bug. Either way, how bout a yes or no Sony.

Poison-X · 11-11-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Concealment says "On the next successful attack this spell will cast Combat Stealth on target." IGNORE the 0.1 sec thing because I don't see where that even comes into question. Combat Stealth is just the cast to put you into stealth.

Obfuscation says nothing other than "Increases the damage of the following combat art by 8%". To me that means, you hit Concealment and the NEXT COMBAT ART has it's damage increased by 8%. So you would cast Concealment, any CA, which then triggers Combat Stealth, then both the damage increase and Shroud come into effect. So whats going be your next attack?? Shroud clearly wasn't your next CA, the sequence is still waiting to be finished. The next Combat art should be effected. And the next, and again, and again until Combat Stealth can no longer be triggered.

By where it is placed, Obfuscation has no bearing on Combat Stealth nor Shroud. Just that "the next combat art has it's damage increased by 8%". Even the description says "the next Combat Art made from stealth has it's damage increased". So to me the placement doesn't sway it to it working or not working, just that it is there.

Why do you keep posting this shit? the +8% damage is hard coded into stealth soon as your out it goes away.. soon as the 0.1second is up it goes away.

The way they have it coded now.. your next stealth attack is really the only thing that gets the damage boost because if you cast a dot/freezing/whatever it breaks the stealth first before it completes the ca taking away the damage.

Even if they move that line in concealment it still wouldn't match the description of the AA.. For it to truely work as intended it would have to apply a separate maintained buff with the +X% damage on next ca with 1 trigger. If that was done then it wouldnt matter if that line was in that location on concealment either.

Gonzo · 11-11-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Poison-X

Why do you keep posting this shit? the +8% damage is hard coded into stealth soon as your out it goes away.. soon as the 0.1second is up it goes away.

For people like you with reading comprehension problems. Obviously you didn't read what I posted, maybe go back and read it again cause the argument flew over your head buddy. BTW Combat Stealth is not the STEALTH!!! Shroud is.

Steelbadger · 11-11-2007, 04:59 PM

Aduros; I'm not so hopeful, simply because the situation on beta now is completely unchanged from how it has been since the AA overhaul.

Gonzo; Huh? poison-x has pretty much told you why you're wrong, please ensure you have your facts straight before expounding them unto us so confidently.

Concealment should see a bonus from Obfuscation, as the line is there, however, due to the implementation of Concealment it does not. This is indeed a bug, it would seem to me. But it is a bug that has been present since we got Obfuscation. Which is a while. Hence my lack of faith :P

Ocrana · 11-11-2007, 05:25 PM

Much peoples cried for Wisdom (and the Damage Bonus) works with Concealment together for incr. dmg spikes. I heared here in the Forum by your threads that only the first attack of a Concealment Combo runs with the Wis-Bonus. I think thats a bug because the Idea behind the change (i can be wrong) is to give the Wisdom tree and stealth more power. Most Combos with Stealthed Attacks is with Concealment and Surv. Combo only when Concealment isnt up or the Assassin gets aggro (combo it with elude).

Stealth is used only when Surv. and Concealment are down and i have more than one stealth attack up (otherwise u can work with masked attack very fine, but no stealth bonus). I think the Wisdom Tree should work with a) masked attack "or" b) the complete 7 sec. Concealment combo. Otherwise, i dont like the Wis-Tree.