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I have been operating under the assumption that hemotoxin with 5 aas in hemo and frontload was a better choice for an assassin then using caustic, one of my guildees has told me otherwise. deciphering the procs and dmg is more then a little confusing for a mathematically challenged mouse. I would like to hear your opinions on which poison is best to use.

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Vaanir

Highly depends on your group setup.
Basically if you always have a Dirge and Templar in your group, then use Caustic, else use Hemotoxin.

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Cochy

That's what I would do as well.

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Stinkfinger

Bah that’s a messy way to roll, now your carrying even more poison and coating your weapon based on who is in your group at that time..

And if your coating your weapon more often with caustic why did ya put them 5 points in hemo.

That whole line is messy in my view. I know allot don’t agree with me but if you have not tried getaway, give it a whirl, and forget the whole frontload thing.

Insta steal is great, I get in CA and killing blade and others, way more often with it, and there are mobs in MMIS and EH that charm and stun and make you dance right off the bat, I can think about 6 different mobs in them two zones, and if you have getaway when you run in,,,that does not effect you. Not sure about RoK.

Just something to think about.

Ocrana

Frontload is good, near one of the best AA Abilitie´s we got.

Replace Frontload for Getaway ? Hell no, i would say : "It depends on your function in the Raid and the Setup is very important".

You can decide Excessive Bleeding "or" Getaway, im often in the MT Group and my Job is to push and hold the MT on Pos. 1 in the hatelist.
We will see if Excessive Bleedings HP Debuff agree with my aggromanagment for the MT or not. A fact is :
We are a pure dps class "without" tools, sure Getaway makes it easier and is a insta stealth incl. aoe avoid. When u got a huge of HP Buffs + Wards you can decide joust or use aoe avoid. I keep my setting STR/INT + RS and Frontload + Bleeding Lines. I will see what is more useful after the upgrades and Fatal Followup but i would say :
When the MT/OT got problems with huge of HP debuffing / procs and Fatal Followup will be the Wis-Path interesting. And it depends on the Raidencounters and the Group/Raid Setup what is more useful.
Im a fan of Hemotoxin but the Tender Poison showed how efficent instand dmg can be. With STA Line+Overtimepoison u get more triggers together with Frontload and they´re good procs out there =)

we will see...

Greetz from Permafrost

Ocrana

Stinkfinger

Allot have that point of view but my argument is the same.

The new expert hemo is greater then tender

If your not using hemo, why are you putting aa points in it?

If you are using hemo, why do you think front load is going to help?

And next time your concealment chain breaks or killing blade and Clocked assult pop, and you cant get both in cause you cant invis,,,just remember, I do.

Most of our damage comes from our CA. The fact is, you get in more CA’s with an insta stealth then if you don’t have it, considering our best CA’s require stealth.

When you solo ^ heroics how are you getting in, jugular, decap and killing blade?

What’s that your not cause stun does not last long enough to get behind? I do. I stun, getaway, and either one of them ftw. Really handy and a life saver in a very solo friendly expansion.

I would submit because of the stated above not only does getaway give you more dps,(because it allows you to get more CA’s in) it gives an extra bonus of AE avoid. And you avoid such things as coating weapons based on who is in your group. And putting AA points into something that you don’t even use.

I not trying to change minds just letting people know who have not tried this, getaway is far greater then frontload, because all you read about on these boards is frontload.

Try it your self’s respecs are easy these days.

aduros

Frontload is not just for poisons. And when used with Hemo its a great way to rack up the AE DPS.

Whats the recast of Getaway? Rarely do I have problems with Killing Blade, and if Cloaked Assualt pops I hit Spy.

Instant stealth on a 1m 30 timer won't do much to help you get off more CA's

Concealment. 7s of instant stealth > 1 instant stealth

AE avoid at the cost of DPS. Your better off just jousting out and firing away with a bow, than standing there doing nothing.

I use everything in that whole Poison line from Hemo, all the way down to Apply Poison. I can't justify wasting points in Sprint or Deft defense for raiding.

Frontload > Getaway for DPS. Even more so when you get some good proc gear. Getaway is good for an instant stealth every 90 seconds, it's usefulness pretty much ends there.

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Pokie

See above

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Vaanir

Getaway has a recast of 45 seconds.

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aduros

Fuck

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