Henladar Bloodheart

Heck... why EB would increase an assassin's DPS is not because of game mechanics... it is because of fucking math.

We are a burst DPS class.. When Dispatch goes in near the beginning (Not sure if dispatch got upgraded or something... havnt played since T7.. so bear with me and the old CA names) what CA's do you normally use? Decapitate? If it's up and it's not too early. Killing Blade? Defitnely. Now think about this. That is some of our burst DPS at work there. Ive hit KB for over 13k before ... and i bet the T8 version is even better.

With EB the fight is going to be a little shorter... say 7 seconds. Your brigand Dispatches at 7% left on a 5 million HP mob... you pop up concealment... hit all your shit. It dies right then because of EB. Your DPS is going to be a little higher in this case rather then if you have to auto attack for those last 7 seconds. While you are auto attacking those last 7 seconds... your DPS would steadily be going down... while maybe not for a lot... it still will be going down. The shorter the fight the more an assassin's DPS will likely be in a lot of cases. Now while it might not be much... it is still an increase.

Extreme example of how a shorter fight = more DPS works?

Say you parse... 1.5k... in your guild. (Not accusing... just a random number) If you went and raided with AM... same zone... same group setup.... you would do a lot more DPS... just because AM can do more DPS as a whole. You didn't get better... you just look better by association.


Just think about it... it is fairly simple math.

BTW... you do obviously don't know how to play your class. This is why you'll never be in a good guild... peace.

Heck

Hen,

I understand we are a burst dps class, I've never argued that. I've never argued that your DPS will increase if the fight is real fucking short either. My arguement is that you're still putting out the same damage per second with or without EB and that the ratio of hp debuff to time taken of the fight because of the debuff will so small that you could achieve the same DPS on act with or without EB. That's all.

Thanks for letting me know I don't know how to play my class and I'll never be in a "good" guild.....really, I can sleep better now tonight because you've made your snap judgement about me after a few posts cause that's all you need to know right? God you're so uber. Maybe you can teach me and my guild to be "good" sometime?...Later

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Gonzo,

I think we're on the same page, just interpreting things differently....I'm done argueing with ya man.

Henladar Bloodheart

So you're saying... you would do more DPS if the fight is shorter. Yet later you say with EB making the fight shorter cause it has less HP.... the DPS would be the same? Kind of contradicting there.

Not really a snap judgement. Based on your posts it is more then enough to tell you don't know enough about simple game shit to be able to play the assassin class well.

I'll pass on teaching you and your guild to be good. I'm just not that nice...nor do I have enough time really.

Heck

And I'm also saying, if you would read, that if a fight is that short, the time difference between having EB and not having EB wouldn't be enough to consistently overcome the randomness in attack damage to show a consistent improvement in DPS. Do you understand that?

Too bad you won't teach me all your uberness. I'm gonna go /cryquit now. I'll notify my guild to do the same....sigh, we were sooooo looking forward to it too. I suppose we should all just quit the game now right? Man, and I kinda liked it too. Oh well. Sleep good snuckums.

Hoss

See, this is why i specifically asked arduros to answer it. You did not answer my question. You answered some other question that only the voices in your head asked. My question was independent of whether you are spec'd EB or not. Just in general, is your DPS for the entire fight higher, lower, or the same if you wait and cast concealment as close to the end as possible, when compared to fights where you cast it as soon as possible?

I just had a bolt of insight here too that will probably explain a lot of this. Gonzo, what is your mother tongue? Don't say English. If you do I'll call you a fucking liar. You do pretty well with English, but its clearly not your primary language.

But wait, you HAVE to hit scarring blow every time it is up or you don't get the uber DPS gains from EB. WTF! Even if you can't understand what we write, at least have to decency to understand your own words.


-h

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Gonzo

Wait, I just had an insight as well. If you run your Concealment chain at exactly 15 seconds into the fight, your DPS will be higher.
<inserted sarcasm> Anyways that is a completely retarded question to the subject, and if you have been reading and understanding what we are telling you. Your question has no relevance to the EB's effect.

I misunderstand what I wrote? No, YOU misunderstand what I wrote. So go back read it a few times, if it still doesn't make sense to you. Have someone else maybe your parents, a tutor, and anyone explain it to you. I am not even going to attempt to help you since you can't read and understand a simple sentence before replying.

Carbajal

What you're failing to understand is it has nothing to do with randomness. You seem to be looking for a visible improvement to your DPS numbers from spec'ing EB, and no one is saying that. There are too many other factors that effect DPS more, you're never going to be able to point to a parse and say, "See, my dps went up on that fight because I just spec'd to EB."

Re-read icefire's post. There have been plenty of good explanations in this thread, but I don't think there is a simpler example than the one he gave. For a supposed math minor, I don't understand why you don't see this. I'll just assume Hoss failed algebra in middle school. :P

Hoss

The only thing I ever failed was "participation" and "behavior". Take it from me kids, teachers don't like admitting they're wrong.

So, I can see where theoretical gains would come from from the 'burst dps' thing. I mean, the total raid or group DPS would be the same, but most of that last 2-3% of damage would wind up being done by manaburn or lifeburn, not by you (and I think I said that somewhere before, even if I can't find it right now). I'm on board with that ... in theory. But, I do want to know how much of a dps gain you would expect out of it (ZW). 10 dps? 20 sounds too high to me. I think people were saying that RS and Frontload were giving them about 20 more DPS each. Thats been the crux of my point from the start. If there is a DPS gain, it'll be too small to notice. In fact, it could easily be negated by faster pulls or other mitigating factors (like now you have to make sure those dots all stay active).

And gonzo, I guess you indirectly answered my question whether you meant to or not. Rude, arrogant, and you give up easily. Must be french.



I am still waiting on the answer to what I thought was a pretty simple question. Are you saying that you get higher DPS if you hit the concealment chain at the end of a fight, versus doing it at the beginning? Cause that's sure as hell what it looks like you said.

I dunno why I'm even asking you stuff like this. Aren't you retired?


I musta missed this before. Just to set the record straight, my stance is, and always was, that there would be no net effect on your DPS from EB. At least, nothing you could see. It would, obviously, be a pretty large difference if there was a way to parse the debuff. Which is why I have been specc'd EB since the day I hit 74 AA.


-h

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Car,

Do you think I'm saying that EB increases your DPS? What you just wrote seems (to me) to fall right along the lines of what I'm thinking...perhaps I didn't articulate that well enough...math minor and all :P