Zyco

Actual poll choices are:

100% fuckwit
1% melee crit

eladan

It was a fun poll to read. After being a Ranger for 2 years, I just decided to betray and see what Assassin is like.

The othe day I was grouped with an Illu and got Double Attack. The buff procced and I critted for around 1.6k on each auto-attack. Which was interesting to say the least

But yes being a class that has chain combat arts for DPS then crits are more beneficial but I can see how DA can usefull to Assassin also heh.

So far I am enjoying the class though and still learning what is useful so this thread was good to see lol.

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Eladan
Assassin/Carpenter/Tinkerer

Avaela

well at least somebody joined me on the noob side =(

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Vaanir

If it was 1% Melee Crit vs 2% Double Attack, then I would most likely choose Double Attack since I'm usually near 60% for zone wide melee crit %. (With just 35%~ Melee Base crit and the RRoB)

If: 1% Melee Crit vs 3% Double Attack then definitely Double Attack personally.

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Orochan

It's all relative tbh.

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Catseyes

so until how much crit % melee crit is superior to any %DA ?

i m low on crit , so wondering between ca dmg /Da / melee . As i get more items with DA than crits...

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Shadeyes, 80 fae assy ,The Vision, Splitpaw
Ymrir, 75+ barb inquie ,Lunar Dawn, Befallen

Hoss

If I understand your question right catsesyes, here's my rule of thumb

5Spell Crit~2DA~1MC~20CA damage

~ means its about equal to, but if i had choices between gear with those particular stats, the order you see them is the order I'd take them. So, 5% spell crit would probably beat out 1% melee crits. I'm not sure how much ranged crit it would take to be in the same league, but I'm guessing it'd be around 10 unless I had a particular fight coming up where i knew I'd have to range or joust.

Unless you were asking about caps and diminishing returns. It is my understanding that crits and double attacks are not on a diminishing returns curve, and, naturally, cap at 100. CA damage is the only thing you mentioned that will cap (at 50%). So, it starts losing effectiveness when you get up to 50% of whatever your lowest damage CA is. Also, it seems like on the dots, the +CA dmg only affects the initial hit, not each tick of the dot. Because of that, and because they are pretty low damage, I don't really count the dots when I'm looking at the effectiveness of +CA dmg.


-h

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Gonzo

The cap on +CA damage isn't even an issue for us. The +CA cap is dependable on the (~50%) damage done not what the CA is listed as. So if we crit on a CA, the cap of +CA damage is also increased. +CA damage is also effected by debuffs which means you'll get more additional damage out an item that has +20 CA damage when you hit a debuff'd mob.

So say our smallest hit with a CA is 500. +250 CA damage is our cap and how many CA's do we have that hit this low, and how easy is it to get +250 CA damage?? I am at +265 and I think that is alot personally and the only time I am not going to get the MAX out of it. If I hit a CA that only does 530 damage and then +265 is nice: 795 damage instead of 530.

Hoss

Agreed, for us, the CA cap is mostly academic. My point is that there are diminishing returns but not until you hit 50% of your lowest CA. I mean, no matter what, every once in a while, you will hit a mob thats not fully debuffed. So, very small Diminishing Returns at that point, but thats where it starts.

Yeah you do have a lot of +CA damage man. I think mine is between 150 and 200. I haven't added it up in a while.


-h

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Catseyes

yeah my question wasnt very clear sorry ( <- french) .

Base of it is that : i have roughly 25 ish melee crit ( not in raid stuff and working on RoK items atm) . So when i have to choose , should i always priorize melee crit as i do atm ?
or a +45 Ca dmg should be better than 1% crit melee ? or 2% DA item ?

until what number of crit % total should i keep MC items or can i go on full crafted armor for example ?

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Shadeyes, 80 fae assy ,The Vision, Splitpaw
Ymrir, 75+ barb inquie ,Lunar Dawn, Befallen