Davngr

so i had a dissagreement with a healer in pick up raid, saying that the best assasin group is the caster group with IA and caster buffs. i dissagreed and think that beign that my assins gear is legen for the most part i would get alot more from a dirges buffs not to mention the temp/shaw/guard. because unless you assin has his myth and raid wide CoB/myth support classes i dont see the caster group with IA > MT group. so am i missing something? thanks for the input


PS.not to mention the fact that i had to take off my chocker cos i was dieing some thing that dont happen with two healers.

Chapel

Ya hes right, your wrong!

Kiori

Im a casual raider so bear that in mind, but our mt group is currently.

Guard, temp, warden, defiler, coercer and Assasin( note no dirge )

the Assasin was swapped into the below group


Illy, troub, brig, inq, ranger and Assasin


I saw a noticeable improvement to his dps, as you would expect, whether it would better in a two healer mt group and dirge Im not sure.

Hoss

Yeah, thats pretty much a no brainer kiori. Without a dirge, the first group won't come close for an assassin. If the MT needed the assassin for hate transfer, they probably would have done better switching the illy and coercer. Unless the coercer has some hate gain benefits that trumps a well buffed assassin. With 3 healers, you wouldn't think they'd need coercive healing.



-h

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Davngr

now you see, i asked for reasons not troll post. how can you say that illy/other caster buffs are going to give more to an assin than dirge/temp/guard/shaw.. expecialy one that is not reciving raid wide CoB or has best possible gear/weaps.

Davngr

i agree not having a dirge would make the MT group suck.. but if you had a dirge it would be a better group than the caster group.

edit. and actually the group you moved your assasin to would not be concider anything close to a caster group that im talking about. im sure your troub runs all his melee buffs and is fortisimo spec(not that any troub shoulden't be).

Jeeden

You get a lot more benefits from the mage group.
mage group gives haste, ia, troub hate mod, bard crit, wiz buff, conji buff, feral/roa.

even if you are in mt group..you only get like..aego, bard crit, skill buffs (should be capped anyways or dirge might not be even playing it)..thats about it.

MT is usually warden/defiler/templar. they dont buff dps well comparable to mage group.

I'm prob missing some more stuff..but i'm tired so fuck off

Hoss

How many of those mage buffs still break our concealment?


-h

__________________
Let us Pray the Pimp's Prayer.
Lord, please pray for the soul of this bitch and guide my pimp hand and make it strong Lord, so that she might learn a hoe's place.

Amen

Davngr

lol.. a few? a bunch.. either way i have yet to see anyone actually make any sense with any of their comments.. for a non-myth raid Mt group offers alot more than a caster group. if anyone cares to actually make some valid points please do so

Vailezee

OK i am a non myth raid assassin. TBH IA, Rapidity, trouby buffs.. all are MUCH MUCH better than MT group. Not that MT group is bad, it is where i like to be when NOT in mage group. Get ACT setup to ding when you hit. start timing your combat arts and your auto attacks. If MT group is giving you the temp buff and the dirge buffs and the mt strength buffs .. great, but dont confuse procs, troub buffs, rapidity and IA, wizzy buff, and other mage group buffs for being the lesser of the two groups. Always choose mage group unless you have some special attachment to the lower parsing group. I repeatedly hit between 6 and 8k non myth in mage group. When in MT group i hit between 5 and 7.