Maximizing DPS in a less than optimal group - Page 2

Odoni · 08-05-2008, 04:31 PM

I didn't realize my previous post was so misleading. No, the trouby didn't get third zw. The caster group had a trouby to buff them (which the necro was a part of). I don't remember who was third through that run.

We're still gearing up as a raid force (our guild has only been raiding together for a month or two) so my gear is far from the best. But I'm getting there and maybe one day I'll be able to self buff to 85%. Our last SoH run (through sisters) I was 11% of the raidwide dps. Respectable enough imo

Benji · 08-05-2008, 08:00 PM

At 55% MC, you're not even maxed on instanced gear, as far as that goes. Not even close, I don't think.

Davngr · 08-06-2008, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by smaukin

I have macro's setup to quickly swap gear around. Here are my different gear sets that I have macro'd:

1) Heat Resists (for Druushk)
2) Magic Resists (for Nexona)
3) DPS (with Illusionist)
4) DPS (w/o Illusionist)
5) Disease/Poison Resists (for Trakanon)
6) Ranged (for all those gay VP fights)

Now, what's the difference between my 2 DPS setups?

DPS with Illusionist means that I have plenty of haste and double attack. It means I am then maximizing my melee crit and melee mod at the expense of any haste or DA items I'm wearing.

DPS w/o Illusionist means that I need more haste. Means I am sacrificing a little of everything to get my haste and DA up.

Overall, the biggest problem I see in your setup is melee crit. Self buffed to 55% is too low for an Assassin. I wouldn't care about any other stat until you can get yourself to 85% melee crit self buffed (and thus your mythical weapon will take you the other 15% up to 100%). Once you get there, then start thinking about raising melee mod or double attack.

Also, the only class you should ever lose #1 zonewide dps in any zone to is another assassin. If you lose the #1 zonewide spot to any other class, then you suck, and you should be concerned that your guild is secretly trying to replace you.

i agree with you that if your playing an assin and your getting out parsed you suck.. but i have seen plenty rouges with stacked groups that can put out good numbers and can out parse an assasin if he's in a shit group, not by much but it can happen.

edit. dont get me wrong all buffs gear equal no rouge should ever come near a pred.(unless aoe fight swash)

smaukin · 08-06-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Davngr

i agree with you that if your playing an assin and your getting out parsed you suck.. but i have seen plenty rouges with stacked groups that can put out good numbers and can out parse an assasin if he's in a shit group, not by much but it can happen.

edit. dont get me wrong all buffs gear equal no rouge should ever come near a pred.(unless aoe fight swash)

Yeah I hear ya, on certain fights we may get beaten by certain classes, but a zonewide should always be dominated by the assassin hands down.

In fact just last night, our Berserker who was main tanking, pulled about 8-9 trash mobs in SoH at once. He won the parse for THAT fight due to his AoEs, however, zonewide was reserved for assassins.

I'm just tryin to say, our only job is to DPS. If we cannot excel at that, then what have we got? Every assassin in here should expect to beat every parse they do. Having another class beat you should be the exception, not the norm.

For me, having the ideal group I want, makes toping the parse mindless and easy. (ie, Illusionist, Dirge, Zerker, Inquisitor, Mystic/fury).

When I have a less than optimal group, like I often do (ie, swap illusionist for coercer, and dirge for some non-bard scout), then I actually have to work to be on top.

Either way though, I expect to be on top of the parse, as should you.

Edit: To respond to the situation at hand, yeah the group you mentioned in the OP was a very shitty group for an assassin. I have started collecting haste gear for that very situation, so i can swap out DPS gear for Haste since you would be so over dps-modded in that group. Also, you should ask your raid leader why he doesn't want to take advantage of your DPS. I don't know your guild or your guild leader, but maybe he's never played an assassin at the raiding level and doesn't know what the ideal group is for you. It doesn't hurt to let him know.

Johnathon · 08-06-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smaukin

I have started collecting haste gear for that very situation, so i can swap out DPS gear for Haste since you would be so over dps-modded in that group.

Haste is limited to one item. Please show me where there are multiple items (sans master crafted rings) that up a persons haste.

Chapel · 08-06-2008, 03:48 PM

You dont play an assassin do you? Thats two posts by you that were complete misinformation in this section. If you wanna go spreading your noobness around do it in your own class section.

Johnathon · 08-06-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chapel

You dont play an assassin do you? Thats two posts by you that were complete misinformation in this section. If you wanna go spreading your noobness around do it in your own class section.

Quit being a dick and answer the question... otherwise STFU

Haste items dont fucking stack. (sans master crafted ring and the very rare + attack speed shit)

Chapel · 08-06-2008, 04:37 PM

Its not rare, part of the assassin fucking VP sets add haste ontop of whatever your "main HASTE" item is.

Just cuz you have no idea what your talking about doesnt mean we have to take time explaining your ignorance to you.

Johnathon · 08-06-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chapel

Its not rare, part of the assassin fucking VP sets add haste ontop of whatever your "main HASTE" item is.

Just cuz you have no idea what your talking about doesnt mean we have to take time explaining your ignorance to you.

LOL swapping out gear for +5 haste isn't really worth it if you can add + crit in the same slot. Thank you for your time explaining that I'm Ignorant and don't deserve to walk the earth. And me being "Ignorant" isn't as bad as you being a huge Douche. Good luck Sir Douche.

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Chapel · 08-06-2008, 06:03 PM

Again if you even had a CLUE to what you were talking about...Raiding assassins (casual raiding assassins at that) are sitting at 110-120-130MC raid buffed...so if they need to swap in haste over MC its not in anyway shape or form difficult.

DA is EASILY capped raid buffed as well, so the stupid proc on the JW boots is unneeded as well...goodtry mosey off to the brigand boards now ~ you'll get along better.

In fact Ill go as far to say that raiding assassins ARE wearing the set boots over skittering in 99 percent of the situations at this point in the expansion.