Rate Assassin EoF AAs and the current state of Assassin - Page 4

Nivla · 03-14-2007, 10:47 PM

I've never posted on EQ2 forums but do read them, and this is my first post here. I believe repeated stabbing is the best ability in the assassin line. I thought that since before I had 51 aa's. It was the first thing I went for and the one that I still think helps me the most. I've tried every line. I have heard nothing but whining by most of the assassin community since EoF but have had no problems myself with dps. I tried on occasion telling guk.assassin that repeated stabbing is a good aa, only to hear a bunch of people everytime say it sucks and does nothing. I at one time thought maybe they were right and respeced to the bleed line and lost dps. It is true that u have to waste some points to get it since only crippling strike and enhanced sinister stike(which i love) help in raids but it is still imo the best aa. Maybe you whiners need to try it before you cry and then see if you think it is still worthless.

razieh · 03-14-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nivla

tried on occasion telling guk.assassin that repeated stabbing is a good aa, only to hear a bunch of people everytime say it sucks and does nothing.

The nice people in the assassin channel told me that dps increases the chance to proc rallos zek cloak too, so I would not take them to seriously.

Raina · 03-14-2007, 11:00 PM

ya a lot of what is said in that channel is misconceptions perpetrated by the loudmouths who dont really know what they are talking about. Most of the players who actually know what they are talking about dont talk in there cause they dont want to deal with the noobs

Faabio · 03-15-2007, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Because Debuffing is such a hard thing to do as a Swashbuckler, which for some odd/strange reason seems to also include the fact that their DPS comes from their Debuff attacks. God you're retarded on that fact alone. You are so retarded if you think Swashbuckler debuffs INCREASE dps. They do not. They decrease DPS from the fucking mob. Please, learn what the fuck the class does before shouting fucking retarded thoughts.

So in the end, shut the fuck up because you're a motherfucking retard when it comes to talking about Swashbucklers.

You're very mean

Stinkfinger · 03-15-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Steelbadger

That utter crap on the forums has finally got to me, long week, exams, and whiney bitches worried about their e-peen got the better of me.

"If your swashy is parsing below you then they SUCK"

fuck off, such negative fucking views, is it IMPOSSIBLE that the Assassin actually has a clue? Is it IMPOSSIBLE that the reason you ARE NOT winning is because YOU SUCK?

That is such an utter peice of crap, that every time I read it I want to punch the person that says it.

Another thing: "Swashies routinely parse 3-4k"

Once again, utter BS, the day I find a swashy that can parse 4k zonewide is the day I manifest as God of all creation.

Oh, maybe you mean single fights? Then your point has abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING to do with the point at hand. An assassin can parse 6K + if they choose to go completely insane, and god knows what a Lifeburn could drag down in a short fight.

And what is this crap about our AA's sucking? And wtf does that have to do with our CLASS?

Fuck all, we had the parse all to ourselves in KoS, now that we have to share people have got bee's up their arses. We DON'T NEED a Manaburn or Lifeburn equivalent to tear up the parse.

All I see now on the forums is whines about how Wizzies, or Necro's, or Swashies can outparse us, apparently, according to the whiners, by factors of 10 or MORE!!

Omg, you're right, We do suck, all those times that assassins come out top on zonewides where ALL a figment of my imagination, or simply because the Swashy "sucked"

Fuck off, either say "We have a really good swashy that always parses really high, well done" or "I'm being beaten by a swashy, what am I doing wrong?"

None of this "Wahh!!! I can't beat a swashy on the parser!! NuRf TeHm!!!!"

I couldn't give a flying fuck about their Utility, we're assassins, we HAVE no utility, comparing an assassin to a swashy is like comparing a bullet to a brick, sure, they both hit hard when used well, but I'm as sure as hell that I ain't gonna use bullets to build my house. But... we still use bullets? why? Bricks can kill, so why do we even HAVE bullets?

Because Assassins do dps better! Even a half asleep assassin can pull some impressive numbers out of their asses.

And those Swashies specced for dps... wtf? Why? That is the most self serving attitude I know. Hmmm... either increase my zonewide by 500, or increase EVERYONE'S zonewide by 250?

Why the fuck would they choose to increase their own dps?

If a Swashy is competing with you on the parse it is because they DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY A SWASHY.

Its like a Brigand deliberately not calling Dispatch so that they can up their own dps.

Assassins? Shut the fuck up.
DPS Swashies? Learn to play a swashy PROPERLY.

And yes, I'm a crap assassin, in crap gear, in a crap guild, on a crap server.

Bite me.

ah I was not sure who was right on this but now I know it must be you, since you scream and curse allot and everyone knows that the win-who ever yells and threatens to punch someone has the strongest argument.

Nivla · 03-15-2007, 10:56 AM

Also, if repeated stabbing is not doing anything for you, then you are probably not using your ca's enough or fast enough to take advantage of being able to use them even faster so you need to speed up your game.

Also with the changes to Hemo, it owns now and is right there with repeated stabbing as the best assassin aa. It destroys caustic. Other mandatory aa's imho are exacting and honed reflexes.

Stinkfinger · 03-15-2007, 10:57 AM

1) How do you feel about Assassin AAs?
They could be better, utility-wise.

2) and the current state of the Assassin?
Excellent shape

I see the actual DPS averages across all classes, servers, group sizes, etc. on daily reports. No matter how players will try to exaggerate their posts on the message boards repetitively to attempt convincing me otherwise, I know where Assassins actually perform in relation to all other classes. There is not enough justification to warrant Assassins their own achievement revamp as a priority before any other class that do not like their achievements, than to evaluate across all achievements for all classes when that time becomes available.
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Well if you’re an assassin in a top end raiding guild and been playing with the same swashie since T5 and all of a sudden after EoF the swashie is beating you 50 percent of the time in single encounters and all the time in AE encounters, Call me crazy but I think the assassin has a gripe.

Dev here states “DPS averages”. Well that’s very broad look at something. There are lots of group swashes that tank and spec other then DPS, it fits their situation (cause they can!) Would this not drop the “ DPS average”. It could be the masses of players have mainly group gear and at that point there is more balance, once one gets into the elite stuff and more encounters where there is ae damage like raids, the curve gets all out of whack. I mean numbers are great and all but they don’t tell the whole story. There are tons of variety of factors that would and could skew numbers one way or the other.

An old saying –“statistics is like a bikini on a woman, what it shows is revealing what it does not show is what really matters”—or some shit like that

It could be overhaul Assassians dps is not in bad shape, but in certain cases it can be an unfair situation.-which leads to bitchen

But there is no doubt in the current game situation some good players, some good assassins are taking it up the butt on some of these game play mechanics.

Oh yea and,,,Agree with me or I will punch ya in the face!

Cochy · 03-15-2007, 12:55 PM

Just because you have been raiding since tier 5 doesn't mean you dont suck. Maybe the swashy was just below you and once they got their AA's they can beat the shitty Assassin now?

Faabio · 03-15-2007, 01:00 PM

Well that's not nice, I'm sure he isn't shitty, just not played well enough.

I already said this, they didn't buff our AAs like we wanted because their main goal was to balance us out with most of the other classes...

I don't know about you, but I lost a parse maybe once or twice before EoF came out, no joke.

If you are good you can still maintain a high ranking dps spot, if not number one itself.

Elvanshalee · 03-15-2007, 03:55 PM

I'm pretty good of taking that 2nd spot of the parse behind the Swashbuckler. I love looking at the ACT graph and seeing something like this:
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