Thaydrian

I was wondering how other assassin's handle muti trash encounter's to get max dps. Do you just get dots ticking and spam ca? Do you count off between ca to get in some auto attacking? I am perplexed as of late and was just wondering how other assassin's handle thier buisness. Does crit and proc go off during a ca or not? I have been told they do not go off and have heard the opposite as well so I am a bit confused. So what I would like to see in response is how other assassin's start off an encounter to the finish, along with thier ca cycle so I might compare it to my own. Does it REALLY make that big of a difference if you dont have a dirge in your group? 1-1.5k pretty easy in most raid zone's but I see swashy's doing 2k+ every encounter. I am doing something wrong here and am trying very hard to find out what that is. I have all but 4 or 5 of my master 1 skills. My gear is pretty good so I should hit 2 k every fight I am told. How much of that depend's on group setup? Yes I use my poison's, caustic, gracelessness and bliss. I am fully adorn'd out. What do I ned to do to get the most bang for the buck here? Thank you to all honest answer's in advance!

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Dirge of Death

Yes, melee crits effect melee combat arts and auto attack, ranged crits effect ranged cas; spells and heals are pretty self explanitory (spell crits effect poisons). Non-weapon item procs, poisons, personal buffs and external buffs that provide melee attack procs will go off on main hand autoattacks and melee combat arts.

We, dirges, grant 25% proc triggers, 8% crits, 31 dps and temp haste/proc buff, so I would say a dirge provides some of the better buffing available to assassins from one single class, but there are certainly other group make ups that could leave an assassin in the position to parse 2k+++.

I'm not an assassin, so I dont feel like I'm in a position to answer the remainder of your questions.

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Cochy

For me at least on AE fights I start the fight stealthed usually with Slip Away. Once the group gets close together I use Cloaked Assault then put up mark and the rest of my dots. After that I pop concealment use Crippling Strike to go into stealth with Concealment and then fire off the backstabs finishing up with Slaughtersault. From there on its just use spells as they are up and it works well for me.

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Calbiyum

3+5 carry the 7 add the 6, dude that must be like a 9k parse each time!

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Raina

Basically what Cochy said. I would add that as long as more than 1 mob is alive use Cloaked Assualt as often as it refreshes until there is only 1 mob left.

One other thing. You didn't post your AA makeup, but I would bet money you went Bleeding and some mix of Tricks and Physicality. Get the Hemotoxin AA and switch your poisons to hemo, it will add to your DPS. Currently as good as we assassins in Paragon can tell is that Hemo w/ the AA will do 10-13% or so of your dmg while Caustic will do 8-10% roughly. Also if your not specced for Repeated Stabbing I would also recommend getting that and TBH the only AA in the Bleed line even remotely worth getting is Cloaked Assualt IMO.

What do the rest of the classes parse? You said swashy is doing 2k, are the other DPS classes like necros and rangers doing similar?

Thaydrian

Pred tree is the basic str & int lines I do use intoxication as well, since the change's it is worth having. Assassin tree I went down bleeding line skipped mark took cloaked assault and sinister strike, so I took excessive bleeding. How can there be more dps from going down trick's or physicality? RS really reduce reuse timers that much? And for our other raiders, our necro I have seen hit 7k before all casters stay above 2k and venture into 3k on occasion. I did however try thing's differenty last eve in chel and freethinkers, roost and crab. I would start in stealth, cloaked assault, get other 3 dot's up, mark, concealment cycle whenever it was up, but the main thin I did differently was to watch my dot's closely and let them run thier duration before re applying them and that seemed to make quite a difference. Thank you all for your help!

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Raina

Repeated stabbing reduces the the recovery time of your CAs allowing you to spam faster. Since the majority of Assassin DPS comes from our CAs and not autoattack and given the average length of time of most fights, being able to spam them faster will allow you to get more off in the time it takes to kill a mob thus increasing your DPS. It also lets you do a complete concealment chain with all 7 stealth attacks whereas before it was only possible to get 6 at most and generally was just 5.

There is really no way to calculate how much RS would increase DPS because it varies depending on the type of raid etc etc. Id try it out if I were you and see what you think and I also would definately encourage you to switch to Hemotoxin. If you dont have Exacting AA get it, that one is almost mandatory lol, I think you probably would have that tho.

Jayad

If there are groups of mobs I always start with both AOE CAs, especially with hemo proccing. Slaughtersault has a long cast time but it procs a lot as a result and it's most effective at the beginning of a fight with the most mobs up. You have to get good at aiming it, otherwise it's not good to use. (** if there is a dirge in group, worth matching it to COB)

An auto-attack will not go off during CA casting or the recovery time, but it will go off right after that (even if chaining CAs) if it was ready. Basically that means you can cast pretty fast without worry as long as you're using the fast CAs. Assassins have quick refresh timers so you want to use your abilities fast.

Dirge is the best single buffer for sure. Besides the buffs that were listed, which are very nice, they cast Cacophony of Blades which is a very important temp buff. Especialyl when you unload a lot of CAs quickly. It also will work with your AOE spells *hint hint*. ;)

While dirge is the best single buffer you can get, there are other combinations which are also nice. I am often in the caster group (fury/illu/troub) and it is pretty good to me, if I get the melee buffs from it. Dirges are nice because their dps buffs are all group buffs, so there's no contesting for the buffs. With most buffers you often have to deal with who gets what. Troubs are missing CoB but they have DKTM, str buff, and de-aggro.

Buffs can make a large difference in parsing. Also more raid DPS is friendly to assassins, due to our ability to unload a lot of damage in a short period.

Thaydrian

Ok so here is a question, when I have all my dot's up of course they refresh before the duration runs its course, so do I therefore hit those ca's even though thier dot is still ticking? Or do I let the dot run it's course and reapply? I would assume I get more auto attacking if I let them run thier course but I may be wrong. Input?

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Raina

the only one you might want to let run its course would be Flowing Wound because of the DD at the end, other ones just cast them as they refresh I would say.