Originally Posted by Davngr

do you raid with a coercer group?

let me kick down some knowlege from someone that always seems to get stuck in the coercer group.. mana becomes an issue. sure im gonna get shit load of *wtf mana is never and issue* but bullshit the coercer myth power consumption reduction has nothing on the illy myth power proc in a dps group. basicly what that means is that if your coecer sucks at keeping tabs on mana you're fucked.

you din't mention destructive rampage that's another 10% base you loose sure if you're rocking avy gearz base is higher but nothing close to 100%. oh and that adds to PoM so illy PoM > coercer PoM

also you can't compare proc haste and DA to constant haste and DA. it's like crit i keep try to stay at 100% crit self buff and let the procs put me well over the thresh hold. most assassin sit around 30% to 40% DA self buffed unless your geared to the teeth.

granted that 5% melee crit bonus for a solid raid assassin is fucking hawt. so IMO it is THE only reason to rock a coercer over an illy and even with the bonus you will find most rading assassins will see about the same dmg as an illy/dirge(this is post gu 52 btw since now DR depending on how much proc gear you has pawns)

i agree with you man it's just that it seems like your trying to say coercer > illy with out the pants even =p

edit. forgot the temp illy INt buff it also brings some nice numbers well.. it's more dmg anyhow lol

Originally Posted by Donagoness

Aye, I see what you are saying

It DOES require you to be nicely geared, but I already said that. I'm so used to just deciding which groups would be better for ME personally that I sometimes completely over think what gear other people might have

BUT

illy PoM doesnt > coercer PoM in my case

Since with leet loots coercer and illusionist will both be at ~100% base damage without DR in any case, so same PoM

Originally Posted by Davngr

negative your base dmg is what counts not the chanters =p

and i dont care if you are geard to the teeth no fucking way a coercer with out those pants will come close to an illy

Originally Posted by Davngr

those pants are hawt for sure man.. i just wish i could raid with a coercer wearing them lol

Originally Posted by Davngr

do you raid with a coercer group?

let me kick down some knowlege from someone that always seems to get stuck in the coercer group.. mana becomes an issue. sure im gonna get shit load of *wtf mana is never and issue* but bullshit the coercer myth power consumption reduction has nothing on the illy myth power proc in a dps group. basicly what that means is that if your coecer sucks at keeping tabs on mana you're fucked.

Originally Posted by agressiv

Group mana flow and channeling > illy myth power proc + savante

From time to time you can get some bad luck on Xebnok with his drains, but Coercers can regen far more power than illys can.

Anyways, it sounds like you guys are arguing over who you can leech more from! I wish we had that problem

agressiv

Originally Posted by Hoss

If we're just talking about power, I don't know the specifics of the power feeds between the two classes, but what I do know is that in a raid, the illy's group is always full of power, and the coercers group isn't. Maybe if we had a big power drain, the illy would have more trouble getting us back up than a coercer does, but ya know, we don't get a lot of power drains unless things have gone wrong.