Donagoness

But while being sat in stealth for 5 seconds you lose 5 seconds of ranged DPS, which is > 1 second of melee DPS, so long as your ranged CAs are up at the time.

Its not just the ranged attacks or auto attacks that I'm talking about.

Its the procs that come off them aswell, but even then ranged is still absolute shit, the reason its significant is its better than nothing, especially when the avatar bow hits just about as hard as the ranger mythical, lol.

Davngr

think you have gateway confused with impenetrable

Sharach

I agree with you there. To sit for 5 seconds doing nothing while you can be ranged using the bow doesn't make much sense to me.

I haven't tried Getaway myself but I gather if you use it you're down for 5 seconds? Can't cancel it?

Hoss

i don't think you lose the full 10k when you joust. Remember your timers are still refreshing during this time. But the bows hit pretty hard too. Just as an example, for the last raid I have a log of here at work.

Average Bow attack was 2498 / max 3741
Average Ear Shot was 5064 / (that was my only hit with it)
Average Deadly blast 924 / max 1216
Average Resourceful Weapon 3773 / max 5613

Looks like I never got a spine shot off that night (I don't use my bow attacks much anymore), but we can assume it will be almost as high as the ear shot. You can probably ignore the max hits, but feel free to use those averages to figure out how much dps you will get during a joust.

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Donagoness

I think you should reread what I posted earlier.

What was basically said was, if there is a pretty accurate AE call within 5 seconds, you hit getaway at that 5 second mark, you are down for 5 seconds until it hits.

While if you just joust at the 5 second mark you can atleast bow attack and then run back in.

However running back in consumes time, but <1 second of time, making getaway useless.

What makes it more useless is in the MT group you don't have to joust much stuff, and even less stuff as your gear progresses. Providing you have a shaman that gives a shit about warding you, but then again if your AE calls are that accurate, there is no reason why they can't.

Moccasin

Pouncer, Donag knows his shit. I don't think you consider yourself a worldbeater yet and if you do, you shouldn't.

Casting speed is imperative and having time to chill and auto attack is nice given the fact that the flurry chance is so high for an assassin. Getaway and it's functions are not imperative. Standing in place doing nothing while waiting for an AE makes you more useless than jousting the shit and plinking it for a few seconds.

Furthermore, you're in the MT group. Get some crit mit, fondle your shaman's naughty bits and harden the fuck up.

My two cents on different specs: I betrayed to brigand long before this shit was talked about because my guild doesn't really use an assassin. I wouldn't go back right now with the changes. I have tried the STA spec for data and was thoroughly disappointed with it. The lack of auto-attack range limits it's effectiveness quite a bit. Although, I have admittedly never tried it on Gynok or on an AE fight that had mobs with large hitboxes. Still, I see too many variables present to make it a reliable spec, but what else is really worth a shit to take anymore?

Elvanshalee

From my experience.. 5 seconds till AE means: AE is coming in less than 1 second, to upwards of 10+ seconds. A lot of higher end mobs don't have reliable AE timers. I hear AE in 10, I make sure to get all my DoTs back up if any dropped, throw down the crit mit debuff, and as i'm backing out, maybe throw mark and the contrived weapon ability. Then, ranged auto, hit the ranged CA's, by this time, ae has hit and i'm charging back in, or it's late, and i pluck away a few more bow shots before running in.. I'll have to try turning off auto attack and not using any ranged CA's for that time to see if my dps goes up.

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Elvanshalee

Wait.. what?

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Donagoness

Yeah I absolutely agree with what you said about the AE timers, the majority of them these days are just totally unreliable, I only did the 5 second thing and presumed it was dead accurate was so it could be used in an example, but with AE timers being very innacurate it just enhances my point that I'd prolly take donkey raping spec over getaway.

Moccasin

I switched to my brig.