Donagoness

Palace trash was the only way of showing what you can do if you are unrestricted, tbh, so don't try and pretend you are one of these people who think are leet and go waahh waahhh don't post trash parses because it doesn't mean anything waaahh wahhh.

Yeah, I'ts not hard to kill, but it WAS the only way of showing unrestricted DPS (no cures, knockback, control effects, slack healers having any impact).

Not saying that avatar parses and named parses don't have skill - they have a shit loads of skill, but they ARE restricted sometimes.

Davngr

there was no "wah wahh" in my post what so ever. don't know where you saw that man.

Sharach

I didn't say Palace trash parses were for bragging purposes. I used them to track improvements in my toon.

Corto

Exactly.

Palace thrash had only minor variables, 99% due to your raid (group, buffs, JC, Alacrity, etc.).
You could watch your own improvement and your raid's DPS, regardless of whether you compare yourself to anyone from any other guild.

Nameds, OTOH, have so many effects that will or will not land on you, you can come up gimp one parse, then pimp the other...
(Curses, Color Screens, Running around, getting cured from reactives, dying, etc.).
You can't judge shit from that.

Davngr

granted some of it is luck or lack there off, once you know an encounter you can predict when the best times to unload and when not to, when to use a signet or when not to.. these are the encounters that matter. palace thrash was just auto attack and spam ca's. haveing said that i really wish soe would put a few turn and burn mobs next expac, yes they are easy but give them a dps thresh hold or something. i still feel those are the funnest fights, but can't speak for everyone.

Leandrizzle

What was even the point of this nerf? So that raids with 50k total dps don't have to spend an hour on trash before the first named?

Palace trash was kinda fun for me. And like some of the others mentioned, I also got to test out various cast orders and gear changes without too many extraneous variables, as well as monitor trends in my dps.

Nerfs like this (and raid mobs not healing back up to past 45%) are really putting me off this game. Has that player base changed that drastically from last November until now that SOE feels that they must nerf shit to retain subs?

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Donagoness

You are so fucking dumb, seriously.

It doesn't matter how many times you pull / kill / feel switch masters void penis, there is no way you can tell when he is going to drop a vision on you.

I can know Tyrannus as much as I like, I can fucking write a wikipedia article on him, but is that stop him repeatadley porting and stunning me with his damage shield? No. Is it going to stop him randomly selecting me to kill an add? No. Is it going to stop him KBing me with his AE? No.

I can fight kultak one billion and fifty two thousand times, but is that going to make my healers cure the elemental damage shield off me that makes me hit for 2 each time? no its not, is it going to make that damage shield hit less often because I know the mob and can "predict its actions"? No, is it fuck.

Stop being an idiot for once, palace trash was the only way you could judge your unrestricted DPS, all of the TSO nameds restrict you in some way, if you think palace trash parses were dumb, then just say so, but don't say they weren't accurate / helpful.

Also, all mobs are just spamming auto attack / CAs, only difference is in palace it was unrestricted.

Hoss

BTW, this is from the thread in the general forums. In case anyone was wondering exactly how much the trash was nerfed.

It was a bigger nerf than what I said earlier.

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Davngr

dumb? how?

if you want to see how much dmg you can dish out go parse your self with a dummy. that's all those palace mobs where.


btw if your parses aren't getting better with each time you do an encounter then i don't know how you keep your raid spot man because EVERYONE that's a good player improves and they IMPROVE because they learn the encounter and start fine tunning their style for that encounter.

palace trash was THE SAME fucking thing on the 400th time pulling those fucking mobs as it was the first time i zoned into the fucking zone.. all it shows is that your gear got better and your group set is ok. it basicly says fucking nothing for your skill as a player.

i'm not down playing any trash parses, i just don't really give a fuck that they are gone and they aren't an accurate guage of whatever the fuck people thaugth they where.

BTW... since your crying about curses and detrimentals the difference between a good player and bleh player is how well you deal with advesity, only people who can't deal with adversity try to make retard shit like palace trash to be more then what it is.. 25 epic traning dummys.

Donagoness

Seriously, I don't know why you keep making yourself look so dumb, I feel embarrassed for you.

How much of TSO have you actually raided?

You do realise that on both trash AND nameds it is important to have a great group set up to do good DPS right? Infact group set up can be more important on nameds than it is on trash. Try parsing high on an avatar without a shaman to ward you to the point where you have to joust the unreliable AEs.

I'm not crying about the detrimentals, Infact if you scroll up you'll see I also said nameds require skill aswell. I've pulled most of the instance nameds in TSO just as much as i've pulled the palace trash mobs, so if you're saying wahhh the 4000th time i've pulled those mobs! then its also the 4000th time you've pulled switchmaster and shit!

You will NOT improve on a named parse every time you pull the named BECAUSE of the sheer luck factor involved in damage shields etc. If you don't get a damage shield cured, a curse debuff cured, if you don't have an adaquete group to not joust / have alot of time on the named, then you will parse lower, so stop being a fucking retard and just shut up about the stuff you have absolutley zero experience about, because its making you look like an idiot.

Is palace trash hard to kill? No its not

Was palace trash a place where you could accuratley judge improvements to your characters gear and casting priorites? Yes it was

Can you do the same thing on nameds with many variables, like 99% of TSO mobs? No you can't

Is Davngr a fucking idiot? Yes he is.

Edit: And by your logic, if peoples parses were supposed to get better every named, then why don't people who always post their improvements (not just assassins) post their improvement every 3 days? Oh wait, because there is no way in hell everybodies parse goes up everytime they pull a named. Oh wait, I wonder why that is? Could it be because there are too many variables? Oh yeah thats it!

By your logic everyone will be parsing 100k on avatar of flame by the end of the expansion!