Riffy

You really are a moron.


Dona, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Does that rule apply for mules aswell, err i mean Jackasses?

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Donagoness

ALso yeah, saying parse on a training dummy is retarded, because thats not raid buffed, and a dummy dies in 5 seconds. So yeahh...

Davngr

wtf are you talking about?

is palace trash that fucking important to you? serously i always liked/like ZW parses to show what you can do. granted only till recently did enough people start clearing zones to make this possible and thus why the "palace trash" has came along.

calling me moran won't make it so.. and if anything you make your self look like an idiot since what you're argueing has not a fucking thing to do with what i said.. i said palace trash DON"T FUCKING MATTER and it fucking don't... what raid leader is going to bring a dps class that does great on palace trash but can't pull HIS HEAD OUT OF HIS ASS and CAN'T deal with name mob adversitys?

yes you stated that name mobs take skill too.. so you basicly agreed with me yet you try to flame me over some fucking trash mobs? they don't fucking matter and those parses that made it to the official foroums are about the worst fucking thing that could have happend.. now a shit load of nubs really think taht single trash encounters that have no detrimentals MEAN SHIT.. beacause they don't SINCE they ARE almost the ONLY fucking mobs in game that have NO detrimentals/kb.. i mean shit even the door mobs in ToMC have Kb/aoe and the mobs in YiS have mem wipe.. so seriously.. some retards found the fucking easiest mobs in the game and made parses of them and it shows player skill? and class knowledge?

you're being the idiot i never spoke to you or anyone else i said:
you said:
hmmmm no skill = not hard to kill ? me thinks yea.. stop trying to start something over nothing, don't be an idiot.

i told you fanboi.. STFU and GTFO seriously.. IF at least you whre an assassin i could understand you sucking on donas nuts like you do..

edit. btw QFE your sig you fucking nut sack chomper

Donagoness

palace thrash was never a good way to show off skill in the first place and expect more nerfs to raid zones.[/quote]

you said:
[/quote] Is palace trash hard to kill? No its not [/quote]

hmmmm no skill = not hard to kill ? me thinks yea.. stop trying to start something over nothing, don't be an idiot.



i told you fanboi.. STFU and GTFO seriously.. IF at least you whre an assassin i could understand you sucking on donas nuts like you do..[/quote]

I lol'd at the terrible grammar and fail to quote alone.

You completely misread and understood what I was saying.

You are saying palace trash takes no skill and only nameds show skill. Yet how can you possibly have skill on a mob which KBs / damage shields / etc if you don't have skill on a mob which leaves you fully unrestricted?

Your comment about improving a named parse every single time you pull it or you lose a raid spot is completley ludicrous and stupid.

I would have liked to do palace trash with an uber super group like alot of other people got too, to see what I could do unrestricted, but I'm not to cut up about palace trash being nerfed.

However, it WAS the only way of accurately judging improvements in your character without ANY restrictions at all, it doesn't matter what a no guilded scrub like you says about any of this, especially since you didn't even answer my question, how much of TSO have you actually raided and experienced?

Example since you are so retarded.

Take a trash mob - like a palace trash mob

You can use all of your knowledge of the class to create a perfect casting priority to do absoultley maximum DPS on the mob, without it restricting you in any way, and without having to rely on healers to do your DPS for you by cures. Therefore it is 100% YOUR SKILL and you rely on NOBODY ELSE.

Now take a named mob - for this lets use switchmaster

You have your pefectly good casting priority from palace trash, and just as you are doing it, oh wait, you get vision, instantly, at that compeltley RANDOM, OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, point, your casting priority dies, you are no longer at absolutley maximum DPS, the fight has been taken compeltley out of your control, there is nothing you can do but accept that your casting priority and parse is ruined at this point.

Now lets mention his damage shield, that makes you miss all the time and hit for 0 damage. yet again, this is on you ALOT of the time, and it comes compeltley randomly. So lets you are wicked good, and hit concealment at the EXACT correct time for absolute maximum DPS, yet on your first stealth, you get the damage shield. Oh SNAP. YET AGAIN, the fight is taken compeltley out of your hands and you now rely on a healer to do your DPS for you via cures, and if this doesn't happen guess what? the amount of skill DECREASES, because there is FUCK ALL you can do about it. You don't have any choice but to hit your stealths, you know they are going to miss, you can either wait for a cure (which may or may not happen as concealment ticks, and this is relying on someone else, not yourself.) So you can have all the good timing skill in the world and the maximum knowledge but since you have to rely on luck and other people, drastically decreases skill.

Now his AE, it knock backs, yes this can be timed, and you don't do anything risky when its due, but still, it RESTRICTS you in a way which a trash mob doesn't hence taking things OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, and wrecking absolute maximum DPS.

So just incase you are too retarded to even understand the worked example, I'll break it down even more.

The more the mob takes things OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, the less skill it takes to parse on one, because you are relying on other people to DO IT FOR YOU. The less the mob RESTRICTS you, the more control you have over your own DPS, therefore the more skill you are applying to keep absolute maximum DPS.

Do named parses show skillz? Yes

DO named parses show luck? Yes

Does palace trash show skills and allow you to develop a perfect casting priority for maximum unrestricted DPS? Yes

Is Davngr still a fucking idiot? Yes, of course he is.

Davngr

ok donas.. im done being the nice guy here, i have tried to be cool and not highlight your lack of intellect yet you have forced my hand sir.

PAY ATTENTION STUPID FUCK...

SKILL = the ability to overcome encounter adversity and still do good dps on a mob.

MINDLESS SPAMMING = palace trash, or any mob that requires no THINKING or strat only ei. conceal chain/mark, ice nova/fusion/ball of magna, apoc/absolu, red con perp, ect... see there is no skill there just mindless button pushing!


and LOL at you being so fucking stupid that you actually think that your first name parse will be as good as your 2nd,3rd,20th kill parse. yes gear also makes a difference on name kills but at least your ability as a player to move around for curses, self cure,use sigs,make macros and so on and so forth ALSO come into play not just how good your group is how fast you can press 10 buttons.

and as far as my progression it's not impressive but i have delt with name mob adversitys and know what im talking about, yet i wonder why this matters since the topic IS palace trash and a fucking 5 year old could achive just about the same results that a hard core raider could. gear/groups being equal

now put that same five year old on switch master? ya will take him a few to figure that one out and he would probly get sent to his room for wiping the raid OVER and OVER again.. i know i have raided with a few retards.

Donagoness

What?

Moving around for cures?

You do realise its not the position you are in that stops cures right? It can just be because your healers are flat out retarded. But that isn't the point, the point is, its not your skill thats killing the mob, its the healer who is or isn't curing you, its their skill thats killing the mob.

So lets use a real example here.

Take a look at the warlock parse thread, if a five year old can acheive the same results as an endgame raider, why can nobody beat ETI (Jozy's) parses? Oh wait, because he has more skill than all of the other warlocks right now (atleast those with similar gear).

You can say it doesn't mean anything and delude yourself all you want, but at the end of the day, its like a game of tetris. Is tetris a hard game to actually play? nah, its an easy as fuck game. But is it easy to beat the top score on the leaderboards? no its not, its hard as fuck, because the person at the top has more skill.

You have little to no experience of TSO, you obviously have little to no experience of playing an assassin on high end encounter mobs, and you just do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Stop trying to pretend you are an endgame raider with limitless knowledge, when you just read stuff and pretend that you know about stuff you have minimal experience of.

Davngr

when i said curse i ment visions or whatever and doing all these things WITHOUT mistakes and getting back in the fight as soon as possible does show skill as a player.

also about your high end raider coments.. how fucking stupid could you really be man? i mean we're talking about palace trash.. how fucking high end do you have to be for that? im not telling people how to pull health or justice or how to get the best parses on umsok.

either way you where the retard that started this discussion over stupid shit and you have yet to prove anything i said is wrong or inacurate.. further more your presious palace trash luck as well since i don't see any other assassins(including myself) rocking a 98%+ melee hit rate like you do.. so yea sorry palace trash can be contorted and manipulated to show astronomical numbers that are for the most part impossible for some classes.

this game isin't that hard man, pressing 10 buttons isi't that hard and most the classes have casting orders.. do the warlocks have one?

Donagoness

Without any accuracy buffs you should get about 85% which is like (without timing) 750 less than what i got from auto attacks really. Dont blame all this shit on 13% hit rate please. Because then I'd probly be ringing a school for small children to sign you up!

Saying its impossible by most classes is retarded, since comparisons are usually made in a class vs same class manor. Hence it was posted on the ASSASSIN PARSE THREAD.

I've already stated, palace trash isn't as hard to KILL as umzok / health or justice or whichever fucking mob you havn't killed that you want to pull out of your pool of limitless knowledge! But it does take a better casting priority to parse on trash than it does on nameds, in my experience (and I know this from killing everything except munzok). I like how you commented on my palace trash parse aswell, which btw you also said "nice parse" too. And you didn't comment on my Gynok and Zarakon (which btw and the two highest parses posted here for those two mobs, even though the zarakon one is shit and i've beaten it since). And they are named! So according to you if i can beat people on nameds with variables I must be overflowing with skill! And I mean if im retarded and stupid, and I can parse on nameds, then i wonder what you are? :'(

Anyways, Even if I am stupid or retarded, and even if I am crap at this game lol.

Atleast I'll always know that I'm less stupid and better at this game than you, and thats more than enough for me ;)

Riffy

i rather enjoy being called a fanboi because an ex-guildie is making you look like a retard ontop of yourself doing an exemplary job at it. Thanks Davngr. your truly are an amazing assassin. LAFF

Keep it up Dona, this is getting to be very humorous

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Davngr

again.. you show how much of an idiot you can be and i did comment on your parses because they where solid numbers, i don't rember saying thre where not?

you need to try harder man and actually read and understand what i say... when i said impossible numbers clearly i was talking about name encounters or any other encounter that has any type of script or detrimental?

also my assassin drops as low as 75ish% hit rate and BTW it has NOT A FUCKING thing to do with timming WHAT it does have to do with is accuracy buffs, contested skills and debufffing oh. AND luck.. so yea maybe your palace trash is left up to luck a little too? yea that was the only point i was making since you brought luck up on name parses.

as far as you being a better player then me? i guess we'll never know, cos i work too much to get into an avatar guild(not that any need an assassin) and being better then anyone is just not a driving factor for me

either way i know the game and don't post innacurate shit you should think twice before flaming me over semantics or what my post's meaning could have ment.
seriously you two.. get a room!
lawl