Liven

There is a lot of debate about weather or not you should time your auto attacks and if you should Add one to your conceal chain, so i just wanted to see how much damage we are talking about here.

I do add an auto attack to my conceal chain, every time. most of the time it hits and im back into stealth ready for more of teh chain, but sometimes it misses, even when it does miss, i still have time to hit a CA and finish the chain anyway so i dont see why you wouldnt.

as for queueing up CA's, i time my ca's in there aswell as i hate to see a full auto attack bar, im not saying i wait for the bar to fill, but when it is full i wait a split sec to get the CA off.

if you dont time your auto attacks, then depending on the length of the fight, i would say that you loose out on at least one autoattack while it is queued, even on a 20 second fight, you will loose out on a potential AA.

so i just wanted to know what kind of damage your missing out on by not letting this AA go off?

i only tried about 5 times last nite on the training dummy, solo buffed and hit 22k just from a single AA ( with procs going off ect), so in a raid when your fully buffed, what kind of damage does an AA do?

im not the best geareed Assassin, so i bet some of you uber Assassins are hitting 50k from auto attack.
So im just wondering if not adding that AA because there is a 20-25% chance it wont hit in your conceal chain or you may mis out on one DoT, is worth loosing that big hit?

^ that is more of a retorical question, plenty of threads about weather or not u should AA/queue/conceal ect

just want to know how much people can hit for in one AA???

Hoss

Look at the parse threads, AA hits are averaging about 5k. So with 2 weapons firing off thats 10k average every swing. You have another 12k worth of 'procs etc' going off with every hit too? Well, more than that cause those are the top end assassins hitting that hard, mine are more like 3500 average.

Not even rangers auto attack for that much.

I'd like to see that myself if its true. And if it is, you should definitely be timing auto attacks to the exclusion of all else. That's like an assassinate every 4 seconds.

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Safanah

Autoattack while concealment is crap. You may miss, or something will break stealth again. Also doing all your stealth CA in one concealment (plus maybe a 2nd ambush) wont leave you much time.

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headbusta

I think he's going for total dmg generated from the swing, including all procs.

So you have the real hit + possible DA, flurry, poison, gear procs...

so autoattack a training dummy 1 time and see what the total dmg was.

Donagoness

What Safanah said is usually true in reality. But only because people don't have instant reactions like a machine does. What I'm trying to say is, if you have perfection timing, you macro your auto attack button to, for example, the number 1 key on your keyboard. When you see your auto attack bar hit the top, tap the one key as you are hitting your stealths, an auto attack will fire, and providing it hits, you will still be able to carry on with your concealment chain.

It's instant cast and recovery on an auto attack, so it actually wastes 0 time, its the human reactions and timing that wastes the time.

Also Hoss when you said 2 weapons you forgot to add double attacks, so like 5k(x2) + 5k(x2) and maybe a flurry (I know your double attack sucks or whatever, but not everyones does)

Koldsteel

Whether or not I use auto-attack during a concealment chain depends on the circumstance. If we're fighting an avatar or some other encounter with a high amount of avoidance, I avoid doing it. Also, if there's a significant amount of lag, I find it difficult to complete my concealment chains without adding auto-attack to the equation (almost always the case). In any case, timing auto-attack during a concealment chain is highly simplistic for me, though it's not always the best option.

Hoss

Dona, those average hits take doubles into account. I thought we went over this. When you double attack, there is one entry in the log that says you double attack for X amt, or you critically double attack for X.

Its pretty stupid to try to use numbers that are the best possible case scenario to justify interrupting concealment for an auto attack.

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the_mo

actually, this is not true. if you successfully doubleattack with 1 weapon, the log will say:

(1262306787)[Fri Jan 01 01:46:27 2010] YOU critically hit A Thexian Spellblade for 2738 crushing damage.
(1262306787)[Fri Jan 01 01:46:27 2010] YOU critically double attack A Thexian Spellblade for 2389 crushing damage.


note how doubleattacks will always show up in the same second.
flurries are pretty much the same:

(1262306795)[Fri Jan 01 01:46:35 2010] YOU critically hit A Thexian Spellblade for 2389 crushing damage.
(1262306795)[Fri Jan 01 01:46:35 2010] YOU critically flurry A Thexian Spellblade for 2843 crushing damage.
(1262306795)[Fri Jan 01 01:46:35 2010] YOU critically flurry A Thexian Spellblade for 2389 crushing damage.

Safanah

Isn't it like double attacks or procs can bring you out of stealth again? At least that's what I was thinking, so I never tried adding autoattack into the concealment chain.

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Donagoness

You admited you were wrong about this in the other auto attack discussion thread.

IIRC when you hit something it tells you your normal attack AND your double attack, for both weapons, so if you double attack with primary and offhand, you get 4 logs.