Zaraxal

Before I start this rant I want to make this clear. I think its retarded that SOE makes Orange mobs a factor in controling DPS and that I am totally for increasing hit rates on Orange encounters.

Ok now dont get all worked up because Mish came to the boards to get information about Assassins and is asking questions here. What the question really comes down to is how are Assassins DPS comparing to other Classes.

Ill go over the whole ZW thing when it actually comes to VP. No guild is clearing that zone in one night period. Also when you consider that zone and factor in what you should look at DPS wise you have to consider that every named encounter has some sort of DPS reduction effect on them (Nexona 10% reduction to all damage and a Crab effect that wipes your raid if you do to much DPS on it) Because I am sorry when your trying to factor in fights like Milyez, Taskmaster and Hoshkar where all you do is ranged for most of the fight you cant honestly look at that as your DPS. Those are badly designed encounters that your just cant DPS on that greatly effect your ZW considering they are 10 mins fights. So before you all get your undies in a bunch about how much lower your DPS parse is in VP compares to t1 and T2 zones consider that.

Basically when you want to consider your ZWs in VP you need to do a ZW of all encounters and one on just trash encounters (Since thats really where you can compare yourself against a diferent class).

With all of that being said you also need to look at Yellow encounters(T1,T2) vers Orange encouners(T3,VP,Trak) since thats the real question being asked here. If your not toping the ZWs in the t1 and t2 zones your doing something wrong. Either A) your getting a terrible group and not buffed or B) Your terrible. When it comes to Orange encounters you will lose DPS based on hit rates but it should not lower you to the point where your droping to 4 or 5th on the parse. If it is your just making excusses and need to stop playing Mario Cart in the backround. If you have a raid force that debuffs properly you shouldnt have a issue staying on top even with your hit rates at 65% (50% on trak).

Now I personally have had no problem parsing number one in VP and even with casters hitting the lvl 86,87 mobs I am beating them. Now before your flame about how my guilds casters suck, my guild does not have Avatar geared casters and yes that does play a part into caster DPS more so than scout DPS. My guild also buffs the shit out of our DPS classes so that also plays a factor in my parses.

Basically what I am trying to say is if your getting destroyed on your ZWs you need to load up ACT and test different things out. If you dont have a constant group set up buff wise then talk to your raid leader and ask them to do that for you for a week so that you can actually get a true ZW in mutliple raids. The problem I see is that 90% of the players out there blame their class when they are getting beat by people that are pushing the most DPS out of a different class. Stop whining and push more buttons.

Flame away.

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Soulforged

/agree with the separation of nameds and trash in zonewides.

I do think though that a zonewide can only be obtained by actually clearing the zone. Yes, the nameds do have effects that decrease peoples' dps, but those effects decrease everyones dps no matter what guild/raid you're in. It's entirely used for comparison purposes. If you clear one of the easier sections, one that doesn't really hurt your parses, then say that it's a zonewide, and you're uber because someone that completed the whole zone (again, it doesn't have to be in one night to be able to calculate the zonewide), and who went through the harder dps lowering mobs.

And I'm mostly annoyed at mish because he comes with grandiose claims, and refuses to back them up.

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Nafawo

When did I say shit about wizzy's beating us? Oh, thats right, I didn't, thats something else your imagining along with your "friend". And you don't have to clear vp in one day to get a zw of the place. ACT has this advanced function (prolly why you haven't heard of it, although its not really advanced) called history, that lets you load up previous parses. And then you can /gasp merge those night-wide parses with your current night-wide parse and viola, zone wide! Glad to see you finally realize what a zone wide is there Mish since its been explained a half dozen times in this thread, and the very name implies its meaning....oh....wait....you still don't get it....damn. I feel sorry for you now

Zar, its not that someone came asking for help, its that its Mish and he's a delusional faggot that makes tons of claims, then can't back them up, and has no clue what he's talking about 99% of the time (the 1% he's been right so far is that vp can't be cleared in one day lol). Case in point, when Durge asked for help, he got it, inbetween mish flaming anyways

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Zaraxal

Thats why I said you need to look at both but really you cant compare yourself against a different class on some of those fights. For instance on Nexona we have the caster group stay on nexona the whole time while the off tank group and scout group handle adds 100% of the time. So alot of the fight I am just sitting there waiting for a add to pop compared to the casters that are casting full time. Also for a fight like that most the time because I am runing around chasing adds I wont pick up on ACT some of the MT and caster DPS. I am not saying totally dismiss the parse, just saying that is a parse that wont be a true prase for you or the other DPS doing other jobs in the fight. Same can go with Silverwing. Fights like Qunard Ashenclaw are just a pinata so you can easily look at that for DPS because it doesnt put someone on statue duty or make you range the whole time. Again just use common sense when your looking at your parses, if its a fight that makes someone do something they normally wont do in a fight chances are its not a good measuring stick for your e-peen.

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