Raina

lol your amusing, I agree with Adam you = gay

Henladar Bloodheart

ok then.... does that change anything i said?

Evalin

You don't have to I've done it already and I have graphs to illustrate it. The lines on the top represent the maximum potential of each weapon. The lines on the bottom represent the worst case scenario when using CAs and the dotted lines represent an estimate of where the weapon would perform while CA chaining.

Soulfire Sabre (63.4 Rating) Min/Max Ratio 5.68
Grinning Dirk of Horror (56.8 Rating) Min/Max Ratio 8.91
Vampiric Axe of Balance (63.5 Rating) Min/Max Ratio 5.68
Dirk of Nightfall (64.8 Rating) Min/Max Ratio 3.95
Bisected Saber (65.4 Rating) Min/Max Ratio 3.01

Let us consider the lines at the top. Soulfire, Vampric, Nightfall and Bisected all have roughly the same DR but they have different Min/Max Ratios. Notice that the weapons with the higher Min/Max ratios beat those that don't. In fact, in this example, Grinning Dirk of Horror can out do Bisected Sabre with a crit chance over 70 but it doesn't come close to Soulfire.

The lines at the bottom show a different story. Here you that while Soulfire and Vampiric have roughly the same DR and min/max ratio, the fact that Soulfire is delay 4 and Vampiric has delay of 2 means that they have significantly different lower bounds. The dotted lines on the other hand shows that while CA chaining they would be comparable.



Second graph shows haste and combat arts can affect auto attack dps of weapons.

Here you can see that Dirk of Nightfall does not gain anything from haste over 60 when casting CAs and Vampiric Axe of Balance does not gain anything from haste over 100 when casting CAs.

The dotted lines show that as you increase haste, CA chaining has will set the weapons auto attack damage in lock step with the casting+recast times of the CAs. It approaches the worst case scenario then shoots up to the best case before plateauing again.

Henladar Bloodheart

It may be the fact that its 1 in the morning. It may be the fact that i havnt had a statistics related class since i took AP stats in high school. But im having a few problems reading those heh.

What do the numbers on the X-axis represent exactly?

NVM i figured it out.. was misreading.

Basically what im getting is from these graphs is... in my normal group of dirge and illusioinist and normal melee crit... id be best to combo soulfire and bisected out of those weapons?

Satinah

Nice graph Evalin.

I am not too sure about the dotted lines though on haste. How are you calculating it? Adding .5sec to the delay?

Satinah

Actually, nm, i see what your doing. . . basically faster weapons will hit once between cas and get nothing from haste and 4sec weapons hit every 3rd, 2nd or every time when hasted. . . and the jump in dps accordingly.

I would like to see the difference with and without repeated stabbing.

kiel25

once the DW change goes into effect we will all be reevaluating our weapon choices anyhow. and until they put 5% double attack on soulfire i really could care less about doing the quest.

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Evalin

If I understand correctly, repeated stabbing reduces Recovery time by 100% which actually means divided by 2. The resulting graph for haste from 0 to 125 would look like this.




The top lines are unchanged. The CA chaining and bottom lines shifted. Dirk of Nightfall now benefits from haste up to 115% before its delay is interfered with by CAs and Vampiric Axe of Balance no longer has a penalty due to CA casting times in the best case scenario because the CA casting time is less than the delay. So while in the previous examples the best weapons where Soulfire and Bisected, its now Soulfire and Vampiric assuming you can time your CAs correctly.

Satinah

And you will be using what instead of the soulfire? Sure, the +dps sux for us, but it still blows every other weapon out of the water.

Will be a toss up between Dagger of Purity and Bisected Saber for the offhand, thats about the only change i can foresee.

The next best thing would be Edged Pick + Clearcutter Machete for a 3sec combo. Both are bad ass, but slashing and the 4sec piercing combo will still be better for us.

Uthtrakai

Henladar, you're talking about Raina...?

It all makes sense now.