GDOH > Soulfire Sabre? - Page 4

Naeca · 07-15-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Henladar Bloodheart

For some reason.. an assassin was saying this over and over again in different ways. I was asking for logic said he didnt have any... he just knew. and i kept thinking.. is he fucking serious?
Thought id come check with you guys.

I aint got pictures so if anyone wants to put em up.

Make a Rate-a-Retard thread for your assassin and flame the shit out of him for being an idiot.

Henladar Bloodheart · 07-16-2007, 01:37 AM

Satinah · 07-17-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hearth

I disagree completely.

Here is the reason. IF you are hitting 5%+(Which I am with 460 pierce and 440 slashing) less with slashing that is a lot more then what the weapon can possibly compensate.

38% Crit

BS 65-196 4sec + 2% Crit
GDH 23-205 4sec

Assume 100 Swings at 100% hit rate and 38% Base Crit percentage

60% * 100 Swings * (65 to 196) + 40% *100swings (197 to 197 *1.5)
=60%(6500 to 19600) + 40%(19700 + 29550)
=(3900 to 11760) + (7880 to 11820)
= (11780 to 23580)

Medium dmg is = 17680

62% * 100 Swings * (23 to 205) + 38% * 100swings (206 to 205*1.5)
= 62%(2300 to 20500) + 38%(20600 to 30750)
= (1426 to 12710) + (7828 to 11685)
= (9254 to 24395)

Medium dmg is = 16824.5

Now 16824.5/17680 = 95.2%

As I stated if you are hitting 5% less + with slashing you are better off with SoD + GDoH.

I dont know, my parser shows otherwise. . . maybe use actual numbers from /weaponstats? That might be why you are getting scewed numbers since everyone i know accounts for atleast a 10% difference in favor of BS. And if you are using crits from dirge to do your math you should also account for their skill buffs so the hit% gap will be less and probably close to none when running swinglers luck. Also, you are only accounting the 2 crits to the BS while infact they affects both weapons and all melee CAs.

Basically, i dont need a math session to make my choice when you can see the BS outparsing the gdoh realtime and add 2 crits and better stats on top of that.

Well. . . to each their own i guess.

hearth · 07-18-2007, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satinah

I dont know, my parser shows otherwise. . . maybe use actual numbers from /weaponstats? That might be why you are getting scewed numbers since everyone i know accounts for atleast a 10% difference in favor of BS. And if you are using crits from dirge to do your math you should also account for their skill buffs so the hit% gap will be less and probably close to none when running swinglers luck. Also, you are only accounting the 2 crits to the BS while infact they affects both weapons and all melee CAs.

Basically, i dont need a math session to make my choice when you can see the BS outparsing the gdoh realtime and add 2 crits and better stats on top of that.

Well. . . to each their own i guess.

HENCE, Read my post carefully next time

I said:
IF YOU ARE 450+ on both slashing and piercing go for SOD/BS combo
But at certain time Assassin are in mage or tank group where skill buffs are not always avaliable. Otherwise SoD/GDoH is better.

Matter of fact I am still seeing slashing hitting 5% less with 450mod.

Also how are you comparing your BS to GDoH. It is rather hard unless you can dupliate 2 exact same raid with offhanding GHoH And BS.

Satinah · 07-18-2007, 07:55 PM

I did read your post and as you know no assassins piercing and slashing are equal so yes, i am assuming like 20 less slashing with BS

Stop trying to convince me so hard. . . when you start considering the crits on BS and when you use actual damage on weapons from /weaponstats instead of small inaccurate samples from base damage to do your calculations with. . . then ill believe you.

Also, i am not seeing your 5%+++ with 20 more piercing then slashing and more like 2-3%

MIS

FTH

Basically just swinglers luck when i can. . . no dirge or skill buffs or anything, just a coercer and zerk in a shitty melee group last night and the night before.

Jayad · 07-19-2007, 04:18 AM

First impressions of GDOH->BS: I don't have the +5 slash adornment for it yet. Pierce/Slash currently is 412/396 which will become 412/401. With the GDoH I had 420 piercing self-buffed.

Overall melee % of dmg has gone from ~30-31% to ~35%, including a bunch of jousting in EH, in very similar groups. The group wasn't totally consistent (about 90%) of zone. I will get a more accurate reading the next time I do MMIS, but that may be a week and a half or so.

Our dirge was running the melee skill buff tonight (as usual) and EH of course has many yellow mobs. Along with Swindler's Luck, I had few issues getting to 450 in both. Of course, I have looked for gear with bonuses to melee skills.

At this point, unless you have a huge difference in pierce vs. slash, I think the BS is better than the GDoH. If your fully buffed skills were bad against the tougher mobs (you can't keep Swindler's up, have no buffs, and haven't gone for melee bonus gear), then maybe it'd be about even. but I kind of doubt it. The 2% melee crit by itself is no joke.

I'll try to provide some better data soon.

hearth · 07-19-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satinah

I dont know, my parser shows otherwise. . . maybe use actual numbers from /weaponstats? That might be why you are getting scewed numbers since everyone i know accounts for atleast a 10% difference in favor of BS. And if you are using crits from dirge to do your math you should also account for their skill buffs so the hit% gap will be less and probably close to none when running swinglers luck. Also, you are only accounting the 2 crits to the BS while infact they affects both weapons and all melee CAs.

Basically, i dont need a math session to make my choice when you can see the BS outparsing the gdoh realtime and add 2 crits and better stats on top of that.

Well. . . to each their own i guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayad

First impressions of GDOH->BS: I don't have the +5 slash adornment for it yet. Pierce/Slash currently is 412/396 which will become 412/401. With the GDoH I had 420 piercing self-buffed.

Overall melee % of dmg has gone from ~30-31% to ~35%, including a bunch of jousting in EH, in very similar groups. The group wasn't totally consistent (about 90%) of zone. I will get a more accurate reading the next time I do MMIS, but that may be a week and a half or so.

Our dirge was running the melee skill buff tonight (as usual) and EH of course has many yellow mobs. Along with Swindler's Luck, I had few issues getting to 450 in both. Of course, I have looked for gear with bonuses to melee skills.

At this point, unless you have a huge difference in pierce vs. slash, I think the BS is better than the GDoH. If your fully buffed skills were bad against the tougher mobs (you can't keep Swindler's up, have no buffs, and haven't gone for melee bonus gear), then maybe it'd be about even. but I kind of doubt it. The 2% melee crit by itself is no joke.

I'll try to provide some better data soon.

With the amount of pierce gear, you easily be 30 pierce over slashing.

Jayad · 07-19-2007, 02:37 PM

If I were to just try to get pierce gear, sure. But I'm not wearing pierce gear at the expense of everything else! As I mentioned I usually have some group buffs. Even if I don't, with Swindler's Luck I find you can have pretty good pierce and slash both.

I think I will be able to do 35%+ with the SS+BS in melee, without IA. I don't think I have ever gotten that high with my GDoH and SS. It's that simple to me. If people feel the other way is better I got no problem with it. I'll be sticking with my BS for now

dukatan · 07-28-2007, 05:09 PM

mhm ok . nice thread

But what is better now when i have SS and GDOH? SoulfireSabre in the main or offhand? or is there not realy a different

Jayad · 07-29-2007, 02:55 AM

I'm using SS in the main and BS in the offhand. Better to have the pierce in the main for higher hit % for better procs. (Assuming you have higher pierce, which is the norm)