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    Default 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    So I've been dabbling in BGs recently, and was looking for info on the best way to play the lower tier.... Comments and feedback are highly requested, from what I've seen I can make a few assumptions, but that does not mean any of it is correct.

    From what I've seen, Hitpoints are all set to 89, and most damage seems to be brought down to level 30 levels. crit bonus, potency and all the other stats have a very limited softcap, to keep the better geared toons from maximizing their stats up to a point.

    So I've made 2 dedicated BG toons so far. an 80 wiz, geared in TSO t4, and a 30 zerk, geared in the 30 BG gear... here is what I noticed so far.

    Damage, just straight up autoattack dps, the zerk seems ok, not spectacular, but if I can get a heal, I can take people down by myself. The CA's are worthless and do squat. At 30 he's very limited on aa abilities, so it's just a melee toon. That being said, the BG gear is absolute crap for that. Toughness might help (hard to tell, he's made of paper-mache regardless) but lethality is useless. I swap out to Mastercrafted and dungeon maker loots, and melee damage jumps up a ton with more dps and haste stat. He's got 50 aa only atm, but that filled the warrior page for ae auto, multiattack, and crit chance, with a few leftover points to get some haste. The lack of any crit bonus (only has pot stats at level 30) is hardly noticable, as even an 89 is capped so low. Seen a few folks at 37 to use the mastercrafted at that level, very good stats, and they can top a parse easy enough. May give that a shot. But for now, He cant live long enough to get any good damage in without a great healer.

    The wizard at 80 with 50 pot and 50 CB with a few good aa abilities (only has 80aa or so atm.) can hit pretty hard with a guaranteed crit Icecomet. But it wont one shot anyone. Half health hits are the norm. No other good spells to follow up with, as if disintegrate does not crit, they wont even notice it. 100 crit chance only gives me 33% listed for PVP. even my 92's with 400 CC list no more than 45%. So I'll need more aa's to really rape face in a 1 on 1 fight. Fusion hits hard as well, but is too limited in usefulness without the aa. Not to mention if I'm in someones face trying to cast it, they're gonna hit me with an interupt. Even with all the gear, I cannot top a parse on this toon. I can however take a punch better than some tanks. This toon is very hard to kill. Most of it is due to aa abilities, manashield and mage shield wards. I dont think the mitigation levels are being converted very well either. So any t9 toon will be tougher than a lowbie, just from my experience between the 2, wiz with zero tougness vs 30 zerk with maxed toughness at level.

    From what I've seen looking at a few different players who regularly top the parse, level honestly does not matter. It's all about the gear. Theres a 85+ necro in t4/avatar gear, and a 47 dirge in MC who destroy people with regularity. The bonus from being t9 comes in AAs.

    I also realize some people will just plain be better than me, as I'm a BG scrub, havent played em since they were released. But dead servers make BG groups a lot more fun than soloing PR...

    So give me some feedback people. I want to get better. =)
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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    Oh and keep the 92 crap out of here... Droll, my zerk at 92 is a god in BGs. Dont need advice there.
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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    I think you're conclusions are very accurate, in that different toons at different lvls of "bolstering" give varying results. However I don't think you can conclude too much with just two BG toons.

    It seems that scouts, and beastlords do great at 30-50 when bolstered, and I think the lethality gear works for them to a large degree. LvL 30 Beastlords and lvl 39 Rangers, Troubs, and even Dirges can be quite tough. In the low levels however tanks are awful for the most part. A good bit of it may be all the AA temps they're missing, but still they are garbage for the most part. Healers at low lvls also have problems that I think are based on simply not having enough heal spells, and having cool downs between available casts. (IE at higher levels you get more heal spells, and so can cast more heals)

    I have two lvl 45s that are just about unstoppable in open world. A 45 Fury, and a 45 bruiser, in BGs however they are average, and really it's that they just dont have enough abilities. The bruiser has no burst at all, and just two taunts, he'd get better after t6 ancient teachings. Same with the fury. I did put some lethality gear on the bruiser, and it did help a bit, but he just doesnt have enough tools. Scouts, and BLs though seem to be fine at any lvl. The fury is decent, but missing needed heals like Back to the fray, Hibernation, and cures.

    I think the way the BGs are now you need to make a toon that is lvl 70+, with max AAs to really dominate on a tank or healer. For a scout you can do it at any lvl, and for a mage you prolly need to be 50+ at least. For gear in BGs; If I had lvl 70+ raid gear I'd just mix in BG gear on cloak, weapons, and charms, but I'd use PvE gear for all armor slots. The main stats give so much more damage than the BG gear, and the higher health pool on PvE gear gives better protection than even the toughness gear in my opinion.
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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    UPDATE;

    Well I leveled the zerk to 80. Has over 200 aa now, and can destroy people with a mix of the best t4 tso and vp stuff i could get to drop. Along with a real honest to goodness Mythical (not some fake enervated) topping the parse is relativly easy if my group doesnt completely blow.

    Still doesnt have the survivability of my 92 zerk, either the damage amounts are greater, or I'm missing some aa that I just cant think of atm... But I'm loving this guy.

    The 80 swash is doing ok, also able to get plenty of kills and do some damage... no 'tank' abilities make him not as fun as the zerk however.

    However what really supprised me... I dusted off my old 42 BL, that I have never really played other than to eat shinies, gave him a mix of 37 and 42 MC and whatever else I could scrounge, queued up without even reading the buttons, and destroyed people. I'm not going to claim BLs are over powered, because well, I played him like a ranger. I'm sure if I learned how to use that wierd hotbar, maybe then he'd be OP. So any thoughts on this one? was debating leveling it to 50 (bg loot gives crit bonus at 50) or should I just take it to 80? Any ideas?
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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    Since I know you were all just dieing to know... I'm gonna update this for you.

    I have reached the point where I enjoy 30-89 much more than 90-95. Now have quite a few didicated 80 toons for blowing up BGs for multiple dailies.

    Drull, Zerk. 85/320. Hands down my favorite toon. If i didnt top the parse in 3 out of 4 categories, it's because I was running flags or something... and even on the 4th (healing given) I will be top 5. Beating out scrub healers NP. Nerf zerks!

    Harey, swash. 85/290. Still working out the kinks on BG swashes. I tend to play him too much like the zerk, which usually ends with me dead in a huge group of bad guys. Damage is great though. Dont try to duel me one on one. I will rock you.

    Vellium, wiz. 85/320. The parse will show low damage... but that is misleading... the hardest kills come easy. Once i get somone in my sights, they die. period. Stoneskin robe sure gives me giggles, now if only druusk would drop the damn ring for me. Takes a mean mofo to kill this toon off. Sneak up on me, cuz if i see u coming. yer gonna die.

    Aufklarer, assy. 80/110. Still a work in progress, but looking good already. Lots of ae auto giving me swash like parses. Once i get some aa and figure out what the buttons do, I'm hoping it gives me kill power like the wiz.

    Vittia, warden. 80/150. God i hate healers. And where the fuck is all my power going? If it wasnt for all the cool druid loots i never would have even made this one. But alas, item dev must love his druid. Plate tank armor. Heal procs, stoneskin procs, aoe deagro procs, billy dolls. The list is endless on procs.

    Iiil, ranger. 80/150. Newest addition. I love my 95 ranger, and miss that myth bow. Once i finish that quest up, watch out for this one.

    Kaisermaas, beastlord. 42/50. More of a testbed than a real BG toon. just to test lowbie's vs 80+ in BGs. Impressive dps even though i have no clue how to play it. Scouts at lower levels definatly are viable. Just too squishy and not enough toys.

    Speaking of toys... I had a gears match on drull yesterday, and 1500 slash hits proced 1300 system shock procs... wtf. God I love that axe. However druushk, stop droping it and give me the mother fucking ring.
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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    Roll a fury, get full t4. Get 1mil parses and beat everyone but fullyloaded. Win.
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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    those all are already BG easy mobs
    Swash, troub, illy, zerker, and SK, warlock, and BL for the lowbie
    are all easy to be amazing at in BG
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    Lol sad part is Ucala is right.

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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    I know, bit of a thread necro, but eh..

    I'm enjoying this tier a whole lot too, but what annoys me is how godawful the BG gear is. Healers that can raid, a PVE thing, make my Fury in BG gear look like crap. I'm fine with raiders being able to BG alright, I'd just like something that gets at least marginally close for full-time PVPers. WTB ward and power procs, is all.
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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    there is this lvl 60 beastlord and his pet does like 5k non crits... is he like uber good or is it some kind
    of semi sploit? im curious because lvl 89 locked BL are not nearly as tough and their pets do little dmg
    compared to that 60 bl ^^
    not complaining - its fun fighting him 1vs1 but really really hard.

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    Default Re: 30-89 mechanics and gear.

    From my experience, BL seems better locked at 60/70 due to the scaling assuming you have good gear/aa's. But being 85+ is more fun because of all the abilities from extra AA. Pets in general are funky though, and summoners low level pets are completely fucked lol.

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