Tyrnnus1

LMAO - so what your are saying to me is that the zerker epic (mythical) doesnt work as well for tanking CoA single bosses as the guard mythical? oh no that is a huge problem.

Sure glad you understand what we are talking about cause the fuck stick above you thinks we are taking about raid tanking solo named the the Fens.

Tyrnnus1

Been a long day so I will use short words.

U no raid, U no Talk.

We are talking about an item that you need to kill 2 difficult, and 1 not so difficult T8 x4 raid mob. No one is saying you are a bad zerker, we are discussing raiding and raid content and guild desires for classes IN RAIDS.

Lyger

you always have the option to ignore people you know. the majority of players on this site do raid and that is where these arguments stem from so you are the minority here not the majority.

this weapon isn't something you can stroll down to a broker and pick up for a few plat, it's something you must raid to get, as was already stated.

you came in here and begged for it so you got it, so just bow out and i think people will forget you were even here trying to stir things up.

do i not have the right to complain about things that affect us?(yes another classes gear does still affect our position in this game) fuckin'a yes i think i do, i have poured my blood out on the battlefield as much as anyone here has regardless of how they may view me.

Skoshi

As the others have said... You do not raid therefore you will not have the weapon and be doing the things people that have the weapon will do with it.

If you wish to comment on how the FABLED epic performs and how it is OK... then go right on ahead and compare it to the guardian epic... because you have the knowledge to discuss that.

But if you feel you have the right to come in here and tell raiding players that this weapon is great because it will do wonders in group instances or when soloing... well... I don't even know how to phrase it so someone of that intellect can understand if they haven't gotten it by now... so I will stick to the rude method. STFU.

"p.s. Just because I do not raid T8 does not make me a bad zerker. I am a great player regardless of the character I am on."

No... but making posts about mythical weapons that you will never have and how they will be used in places you will never go... makes you a bad forum poster.

k thx drive through...

Buuncha Muskuls

Who are you talking to?

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Skoshi

LOL no one that was interested in talking to him... that's for sure.

I try not to be the hardcore guy who disrespects the people that decide not to raid.... but some people just don't understand that the high end game is COMPLETELY different than the low end game yet they think they can tell people how it's done... and that just completely ticks me off. Because at that point they have disrespected me first by trying to pawn their advice off as KNOWLEDGE when it's all just a load of crap.

Raiding is not for anyone... and I respect the people that decide to spend their free time on other things. I personally have 2 kids, wife, house that constant needs me to fix stuff, and a full time job... I KNOW my time could be better spent elsewhere but I decided to spend it raiding because without some EQ2 in my week I'd probably be killing stuff that's NOT on my computer screen because I would have no relaxation time. But if someone else gets that from Kayaking or Golf or whatever... cool... whatever man. This is a game... you play it how you have fun with it... just don't pretend to be a pro when you only bought your golf clubs last week and you are trying to tell Tiger Woods how to play and what clubs are best... because he will smack you down too...

Kalidon

Rofls that one made me laugh...

but tis only to true, if you are Not a raiding berserker/and or a raiding berserker in a guild that will actually see VP one day PLS do not reply to a post about a item regarding SAID ZONES as that makes you a f'ing moron and wannabe knowitall

but as to serk fabled vs guardian fabled grp versions yeah theres not so much different there tbh...its just when you hit mythical that the difference becomes so blatantly apparant...

i mean i dont hate hate the serker mythical like everyone else seems to but i couldnt tell ya how much id Love to have that nice little ability on the guardian one to let me use a tower sheild with buckler spec>.<

pagansaint

Back to the question from the other poll.

How many of you that are threatening betrayal are actually in guilds able to clear the content necessary to get the mythical?

Three? Maybe at most?

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Vydar

The question is not whether or not you have access to your epic this very moment.

It is whether or not you want to continue building up a character that is now gimped in comparison to its counterpart, where we receive nothing to equalize us in terms of raid utility.

Why work towards a zerker mythical that you don't like/want? Why continue getting masters, zerker set pieces, anything, if our counterpart class rivals/beats us in every way save aoe dps?

I'm not betraying. I'm stubborn and stupid and am hoping that maybe something will get fixed. But I understand completely why people want to.

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Dimglow

This is how I feel in a nutshell. I've played "secondary tank" in other MMOs. It is the shittiest role imaginable. I have no desire to be relegated to a pure DPS role in a raid either.

Now, I will probably never see those weapons. I also won't be betraying, again, because I will probably never see those weapons.

But, if I thought I might, or knew I would see those weapons, I would betray instantly. I'd give up years of development and throw it away. It's not about the Guardian class either. I don't think that many if any of the berserkers who would or are betraying over this weapon really prefer Guardian over Berserker. I don't want to be a Guardian. But I do want to be a tank. In fact, if possible, I want to be so good that people look at me as one of the best tanks they've ever played with. That is no longer a possible end destination available to berserkers.

And therein lies the problem. The guardian epic is simply unparalleled in pure power. So powerful that it may as well be equivalent to a class change.

Guardian + Epic = The Tank
Berserker + Epic = Berserker +1

Now if my choices are being a Berserker, a Guardian, or The Tank, then I want to be The Tank. And just about everyone else who is outraged over these weapons wants that exact same thing, to be The Tank.

Before these weapons, Guardians and Berserkers were fairly even. The lack of AE fights sucks, but we were still a solid competitive class that needed a few kinks worked out, but we still performed.

After these weapons, WE'RE STILL FAIRLY EVEN. Until you equip the epics. At that point the scales of balance collapse, and we lose any chance of being The Tank.

Now, ask yourself this: If your goal is to be The Tank, and you work your butt off, and get to the endgame content as a MT berserker, only for a guildmate Guardian to get this weapon and trivialize you as he "classchanges" into The Tank, how are you supposed to feel? Sure you did it before. Sure you could keep tanking after. But people are never satisfied with second best. Hardcore raiders especially are all about being #1 in everything they do. Eventually content gets released, and suddenly you're in a backseat to Guardians. Before too long nobody even thinks of you as the primary tank anymore. Congratulations, you're now a flavorless DPS class begging for a DPS slot on a raid. Aren't you glad you worked SO hard to undermine your own usefulness? Tragedy.

That is the direction that these weapons point the game in.

So for all you hardcore raiders who say that not all berserkers should comment: Sure, you're right, if we won't have these weapons we can't speak from firsthand experience.

But it doesn't take rocket science to see where these weapons are taking us. The players out there who want to be The Tank are being faced with a brutal decision, and it is a decision that effects -every- berserker, rather level 1 or level 80. And that decision is what they should do with all of their time and effort invested given what the future promises. If you set out to be The Tank, and had that road cut off from you, what do you do? Stop driving? Set off for a different destination? Change lanes and see if you can find another way to the goal? Not easy answers.

MMOs are supposed to be designed to provide progression to entertain and encourage players. Right now I, and many others, only feel discouraged. Maybe you're satisfied with the idea of not being able to be The Tank, but many of us are not.