Lizerd Keng

because it scales vs mob level. Don't think 120% is a hard rule, probably a guess someone made, hopefully with some data to back it up. I think with DA though, it does NOT scale vs level, although even with 100% I've still had a couple hits not da.

and yea, about the agi line. I think if they ever gave us 20 more points to spend I'd probably take wisdom line lol. Unless they also decide to put a bunch of aoe encounters in the game too, then maybe.

Endoplasmic

Yeah with 100%+ DA you still are under the check of auto-attack hitting. You'll notice on even con and less mobs that 100% DA will actually hit 100% of the time, but them orange mobs get "checked" twice and shit sometimes both have a chance to miss

Since in raid groups I proc to around 140-150 DA I've been pissing around with DW. I need to get a 3.0, but even with a 4.0 offhand this shit gets pretty fun. Double attacking on both weapons is massive DPS.

DA > Crit > CA Damage, lucky for me my crit is the lowest of the bunch.

I'm also in the crowd of happy zerks that are getting the DA changed to crit on the myth.

Lizerd Keng

there's no doubt 8 crit>8 da, don't understand why anyone wouldn't think so.

crit affects ca's and auto attack unlike da

If you are over cap on da simply swap out some da gear for some crit gear, or even move aa points around. Results will be greater because I seriously doubt theres zerkers that are running around with more crit than da at this point (assuming sta3 maxed)

Lyger

yes, it's easily possible to get more crit than DA, most of the time i was at 80% DA and 90% crit at the same time, solo, before proccing anything.

even sitting here right now, without strength line AAs(minus 23% crit) i sit at 80% double attack and 65% crit, plus potion and whetstone puts me at 80%DA/72%crit solo. helped my DPS mod since i generally don't have a stacked group.

Endoplasmic

Whoh hold the phone. Are you saying DA doesn't affect auto-attack?!

DA > Crit simply for the reason that you auto-attack TWICE. Let alone that both attacks have the chance to crit. So saying crit > DA is simply false.

Lyger

not necessarily, all testing i've done also shows crit to be superior since it affects the whole pie instead of just the auto attack portion of it.

hitting DA cap is easy enough for most zerks anyways so i don't really see the point in even debating it.

Endoplasmic

Hitting caps and all that aside. I was saying that hitting something TWICE > *. More than half of our DPS is from auto attack, so it would be smart to max that first and then the others.

Crit is good don't get me wrong, but ignoring the fact that DA is better seems short sighted.

Punching someone in the face twice (with the chance of both your punches hitting hard) is better than punching someone in the face once (with the chance that your punch will hit hard).

Orochan

False.

Crit ALWAYS is better then DA for the sole reason that you get twice the benefit from crit as you do from DA, unless 100% of your dps is from auto attack ( meaning you use no Ca's ) Crit will always net you more dps then DA.

Your analogy is so far off it's dumbfounding, so stop using them please, and stop spreading false information.

When you have 10% crit, you have a chance to crit on ALL of your Ca's and ALL of your auto attacks, when you have 10% DA you have a chance to only crit on auto's, the fact that you "hit twice" does not beat out the fact that crits net you 30% + more damage.

Crits increase the min/max of a CA by 30%, and the damage of a auto attack by at least 30% ( can be more then 30% sometimes due to how crits effect autos ) So no , DA will never be as good as crit and to say otherwise is just living a pipe dream.

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Endoplasmic

Here is the method that I use for DA vs. Crit. Again this is *my* way, it nets me fantastic results and everyone can take this with a grain of salt or some insight into other methods.

I auto-attack 50% of the time (combat art, auto-attack, combat art, auto-attack, etc.). Using this knowledge and the knowledge that over HALF of my damage output is through my auto-attack damage, I'm of the mindset that I focus on that first and foremost. How can I get the MOST out of over HALF of my damage output?!

The first way is simple. Double Attack. Hitting something TWICE (that's 200% auto-attack damage) will ALWAYS be better than 30% extra damage (from crits). Not to mention that BOTH of those auto-attacks have a chance to crit! (260% damage in ONE auto-attack).

That's not to say that crits suck, but they augment my auto-attack damage and lucky for me that also translates into my combat art damage and taking care of them should be next on the list after double attack (also lucky for me that some gear has crit and DA on it).

So yeah I have crit and whatnot, I just don't look at it as much as DA. And the only reason I'm doing anything to bring up my crit is because my DA is well over 100% now.

Steev

CA's do about 1k dmg, with the exception of 2 that do 3-4k.. my auto always hits 3-4k.

Get a crit on a CA is what 1.5k(I took no time whatsoever going back to remember the highest a crit can go to), and say a 3k auto hit critting gives you 4.5k.. that's 6k dmg in one round.

Get a no crit auto attack hit in, 3k. You then DA on that, another 3k. 6k dmg.

You crit an auto attack, 4.5k. You then DA and that crits as well, 4.5k. 9k dmg.

As far as I can see it, by focusing on DA first, you retain at LEAST the same amount of damage crits would give you, but also giving you a chance at critting on both.

One of my last Korsha zonewides I did 5900dps(with twins, was NOT on adds on Overking), and looking through ACT... 66% of my total dps was..... pure autoattack.

Take this how you will, and remember I wrote this at 2am, out of game, and I did not look up the How Crit works for Dummies book.. but these are generally the reasons why I focus on DA before any other major stat.

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