Phrozen

So does a Paladin.

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kenman

You know what, this thread has taught me something. The reason the vast majority of shadowknights I ever encountered were complete retards was because any one of them with an ounce of logic changed classes or quit the game. Which is exactly why now that any berserker that's not a complete moron is no longer a berserker, retards say shit like this:

First off, I don't even see why the fuck you would bring mitigation into this. But you can get your avoidance as high as a guard with your buckler? Wow, that's hilarious because it's actually impossible to do so unless said guardian is being a moron and using a buckler as well.

And wow, you can set up defensive. Guardians can do that too, with a tower shield and still getting the double attack. Meaning they'll actually press out more dps on any mob that you would tank in a tower shield, while still maintaining far more tanking ability. But yeah that's minor, big deal.

It's still technically possible to tank everything as a berserker, that makes it alright! Besides, you have lots of things to help make up for the inferior tanking ability. Like 200% aoe attack and lots of burst AOE dps for all those difficult and worthwhile AOE encounters... And that health regen, that's totally a worthwhile tradeoff for the lack of the guardian's health buff. Oh yeah and there's the awesome snap aggro behind a berserker with rescue, guardians dont have shit on that!

Honestly, you have to be a complete fucking retard to even remotely suggest that berserkers should just shut up and take it up the ass when it's blatantly obvious that there's not even a slight resemblence of balance going on with the tank classes.

And furthermore, what the fuck is special about being good at AOE? I want to know this, because it's not a fucking oddball expansion that has no worthwhile AOE content. EoF only had trash mobs and adds on avatars/cmayong, all which died too fast to really fucking matter. KoS had... the doom trio in labs which was a joke and died really fast... and I guess MO which didn't even really need a real focus on adds? DoF had er... PPR trash?

Really, I'm just not seeing it. The zerker is built to fill an incredible niche AOE role that will never actually matter without a revamp, because even if there were more AOE mobs the guardian would still handle it better in every way minus dps. I'd personally suggest some kind of ability that protects greater while tanking numerous mobs at once, to make the overall damage intake on a hard group encounter as a berserker identical to a hard single encounter as a guardian, with either class taking more damage tanking outside their role. Amazing concept, I know. And to this day I still can't see a single situation health regen would even start to be useful, let alone rival any ability the guardian gets.

At least before RoK (Although I'd be willing to argue better balance was during KoS as zerkers got royally shafted in EoF) the berserker arguably had enough dps over guardians to make up for their lesser tanking abilities. Now, unless you completely fail at math, you can't seriously suggest that things are fine enough to warrant not bitching about it.

If you're that sick of hearing about it, get the devs to fix the obviously underpowered class or stop fucking reading it.

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Kenman, 70 Berserker
Last Time Played: November 18, 2007

Woot!

Karsgaar

Frankly I'm pretty tired of the whining myself. I know we have issues, but honestly a well played Berserker can tank anything a Guardian can. Sure, a Guardian would probably have a little easier time at it, but I like the challenge and I love being able to say I'm one of the few Berserkers who can, and does Main tank VP all the way from start to finish.

We have issues, we all know this and it's been posted, both here and on the official forums. What it comes down to is, either stop whining and learn to play a Berserker, or betray so you can go whine about Guardian issues instead.

It saddens me to see what the Berserker community has degenerated into. We used to be a damn good community that offered a lot of good advice to up and coming Berserkers. We used to have one of the best class forums of any of the classes I play. Now most of the posts I see are people whining that they aren't Guardians. If Guardians are so damn special, just betray already! Enough is enough.

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Burdy

If the class dev says
and you say
Well, then you are in idiot.

kenman

Are you under the impression that EQ2 requires skill? Aside from the mentally impaired, anybody can play a Berserker to the fullest. And to toot my own horn, the other day I beat Battletoads without warping or using a single continue. So I dunno, I don't think I'm that bad at gaming...

The fact is, there's obvious balance issues between the classes. Sucking it up and sticking with a vastly inferior class or playing a different class entirely should not be necessary, the developers should be able to BALANCE THE FUCKING CLASSES. Personally, I think guardians should be nerfed so they have just as hard as a time, since the game's skill ceiling is dreadfully low. But that's not going to happen.

That was really because berserkers weren't nearly as underpowered, and you had helpful people like Skel playing the class. Then practically every one of those quit or betrayed. But really, even during EoF there were still fucking retards saying "omgz screw buckler I'm going tower shield and wisdom line and parsing higher than our wizards, look at my 700 dps!" So yeah... the idiots have always been there.

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Kenman, 70 Berserker
Last Time Played: November 18, 2007

Woot!

Lyger

pallies are gimp asses, they can toss out some decent AE dps but not for very long. single target their DPS sucks, their survivability sucks also.

what do they have that they do better? fear immunity and amends. so the fuck what... dps is also a utility so i would consider us even as offtank choices.

Endoplasmic

Oh shit man, Pallies are ez-modes off tanks! The Mythical alone brought survivability through the roof! (20% damage reduction!).

Our Pally can't DPS like I can, but he is a BEAST tank. Don't discount the pally for an offtank, they are amazing.

Klava

whoever said berserkers are as good OT's as paladins doesn't have a clue. i played all four plate tanks for a considerable amount of time, starting as zerk, betraying to guradian as RoK came out, switching to sk and then betraying to paladin. say what you want, but paladins are second to none when in comes to agrocontrol and only inferior survivability-wise to guardians.
don't get me wrong, i loved my zerker - the class was fun to play and i liked the concept. i OTed as zerker through KoS and EoF and it was a blast. however, after Rok zerker just doesn't have what it takes to be in a raid utility-wise anymore: guardians are best MTs with ther survivability, paladins with their exellent argocontrol tools are best OTs, and monks are best for general DPS/utility. i'm sure had i kept playing zerker i'd still have my place as OT in my guild, however playing as paladin now i feel i'm doing my job much better.

Tojejedno

How?


BTW why taking DPS into account, when we are talking about tanking? I thought that survivability and holding agro is the key. Pally can hold agro better than ony other class without doing dps. And thay can press "24 position up".


Im lucky berserker, still I know, that TOS is raidsaver, Adrenaline is just nice.

Phrozen

You sound butt-hurt that a Paladin can do your job just as well, if not better in some cases. If you don't think so, you are quite the retard.

Definately.

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