guapo1

Plz fucking explain to me how the hell that immune proc helps guards survivability? The fucking immunity does not give any survivability function, it just allows us if the damn thing even procs when it is needed to continue to cast cas, or use tos if needed.To be honest the fucking potions are better then that proc for control issues.


Ask any raid tank from any guild capable of clearing all of vp, how often the damn thing even procs, and stops the stuns/ stiffles from trash mobs.It procs next to never when actually needed. You and the rest of the idiots that think that proc is a life saver are complete fucking retards for sure.

Tell you what you like guard mythical that much ill gladly trade mine for the zerker any day.


Ps lyger the funny thing bout you being in beta is that comment you made here was exactly the same load of shit you spewed all over guard threads in beta.The Funniest shit i saw there however was guards got warned by Kiara for telling your panzy ass off in there own class boards , cuase you wined like a little bitch that had her doll taken away to the devs when proven how retarded your coments where.


Cant win a discusion, pm a moderator /dev so can hide behind there skirt was your theory.

Epitaphe

stfu scrub.

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Anjin

Well done! You've managed to explain how it DOES enhance survivability! As Lyger said, it's not massive but it helps (quote "helps them survive a bit better"). As you said, it's not controllable, but if you need to cast ToS and it has just procced making you immune to an incoming stun, it's fucking great.

I actually thought Lyger was being quite aware to Guardian needs in a previous post on this thread. You on the other hand, just read what you wanted to read from his post and acted like a spoilt brat.

Here are two examples that you ignored:

"of course we shouldn't have better survivability than them either"

"the class is doing well, we're close to guards as tanks and we still have the edge unfairly to them on AE dps/aggro"

It a prime example of you being a biased retard and Lyger being objective.

Comalv

Oh geez not the guardian version of Tuor again...pls go back to your house.

This type of discussion as already pointed out is just an e-peen contest and will not turn out good, so please stop it already. Wanna know who has the upper hand in MTing? go check the best WW guilds' rosters, see which class is their MT, it's as easy as that, and no excuse to go around it.
If zerkers were that better as someone (mainly butthurt guardians) say, they would have replaced guardians in MT role in 90% of those guilds as soon as they hit 182 AAs (or less)

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guapo1

I was not ignoreing the other facts he mentioned i did not remark towards them as he was correct on those facts.However i did respond to the remark about the proc on guard mythical.It is not that freaking great it is not controllable and it does not proc anywhere near enough, or when actually needed to even remotely say/ or define it as a usefull survivability tool.


Tos is a survivability tool on its own , and if have half decent healers tos does not even need to be used that often, same as the detremental effects would have all ready been cured.Relying or stateing that that proc on guard mythical is a survivability tool , or impressive is a frigging joke compared to its actuall usefullness.


Yeah i got something againt lyger ,and ill admit it cuase i seen the bull shit he posted on beta boards in guard thread's.No he wont state or say the same exact shit here , for the simple fact alot more people here to be objective, and he cant pm a dev or mod here to hand out warnings when he is butt soar after some one disagreed with him.

Comalv it has nothing to do about being butthurt it has to do with the simple fact many people have said things are balanced now, and infact they are not the new system is only half completed.There is issues that still need to be resolved.


Lyger was correct with everything he said in his post, except for what he said about the proc on guards mythical.Which is why i only quoted that ,and responded to it.

Comalv

so u wouldn't use fragment of the chime or of tinnonium and maybe prefer some rings with ward procs or with +extra riposte because u think that mythical doesn't proc enough? (and iirc fragments have the same proc rate as the one on the mythical, but i could be wrong)

I'm not assuming, just asking btw

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guapo1

I would love to have those items yeah.However if not in a guild that does avatars will i be getting or see those items any time soon?



Is the effect on the mythical alone that great of an item? no it really is not.My point was it really by itself is not that beneficial to be considered a survivability tool, or impressive.Considering it never really procs enough to be usefull, and never seems to really proc when it actually is needed to be effective that much.

Epitaphe

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Anjin

lol - go look at the effects of the fragment items, Guapo!

guapo1

I know the effects of the items as well as you do but like you, i prolly wont be getting any of them as our guilds dont do avatars.Which i stated earlier.So why does it really matter? if wont be getting those items?

Bring up all the items you want , the only thing i was referring to is the proc on the mythical is not as good as people keep implying it is.Its a huge game of chance that the proc will actually go off when it is needed.