/Feedback - Warrior Tree.

Nektulos-Tuor · 12-10-2008, 11:41 AM

Since Every other Fighter got 20ish % Double attack in there old aa's, why dont we feedback and get it as well? why not?

Change Wisdom Tree's Lines...

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Increases Combat Art Damage and Double Attack by 2% Per point spent - ((instead of DPS)), up to 16%.

Unshakeable
Reduces all physical damage done to caster by up to 25 (per point)
Increases Mitigation of caster vs all physical damage by 1% (per point)

Stance Mastery

Removes all penalties associated with your defensive stance.
Removes all penalties associated with your offensive stance.
Removes all penalties associated with your hunker abilities.
Increases Shield Effectiveness of Caster by 25%

Ower · 12-10-2008, 11:46 AM

Since we have that DA in sta line?

Godwin · 12-10-2008, 11:54 AM

While I think everyone is in full agreement that the Wis(piss)dom line is in need of a serious overhaul, I have legit problems with your suggestions.

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Seasoned Veteran
Increases Combat Art Damage and Double Attack by 2% Per point spent - ((instead of DPS)), up to 16%.

You are basically saying here that we can get more benefit than the Choker gives, at no penalty, and beyond that we should get DA as well?

Broken.

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Reduces all physical damage done to caster by up to 25 (per point)
Increases Mitigation of caster vs all physical damage by 1% (per point)

If you're going to regurgitate TSO AAs, then you at least shouldn't mirror them exactly AND combine into one!

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Removes all penalties associated with your defensive stance.
Removes all penalties associated with your offensive stance.
Removes all penalties associated with your hunker abilities.
Increases Shield Effectiveness of Caster by 25%

Aside from the fact that the rest of the line sucks balls, there really isn't anything at all wrong with the final ability. I would LOVE to have it, but never will. With you adding a whopping 25% shield effectiveness to it, you actually break the hell out of it.

Wisdom needs changed, but it needs to be a balanced change.

Nektulos-Tuor · 12-10-2008, 11:55 AM

can't have DA in other places?

Nektulos-Tuor · 12-10-2008, 11:56 AM

The choker is 2 expansions ago.

Godwin · 12-10-2008, 12:01 PM

And still an item that fetches a nice price when sold, because it just happens to still be a nice piece for a ton of classes...

And?

Choker is 10% increase, with a fat penalty. You've tacked on an additional 6% without any penalty and then feel that it still needs more by suggesting DA?

'splain, plz.

Nektulos-Tuor · 12-10-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Godwin

While I think everyone is in full agreement that the Wis(piss)dom line is in need of a serious overhaul, I have legit problems with your suggestions.

You are basically saying here that we can get more benefit than the Choker gives, at no penalty, and beyond that we should get DA as well?

Broken.

Crusaders get almost 100% Spell Critical Chance for using the same amount of points. and for 4 more, they can get almost 100% Heal Critical chance as well!

If you're going to regurgitate TSO AAs, then you at least shouldn't mirror them exactly AND combine into one!

Aside from the fact that the rest of the line sucks balls, there really isn't anything at all wrong with the final ability. I would LOVE to have it, but never will. With you adding a whopping 25% shield effectiveness to it, you actually break the hell out of it.

It was meant to reduce the physical damage, and its broken atm, because it does not really do anything but add mit, and it almost makes NO Difference what so ever having 1 or 8 points into it, because its obviously broken!

Wisdom needs changed, but it needs to be a balanced change.

Nektulos-Tuor · 12-10-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Godwin

And still an item that fetches a nice price when sold, because it just happens to still be a nice piece for a ton of classes...

And?

Choker is 10% increase, with a fat penalty. You've tacked on an additional 6% without any penalty and then feel that it still needs more by suggesting DA?

'splain, plz.

Warriors Don't Benefit as much with +Combat Art Damage% As other classes since we have the weakest CA's.

And not only that, theres shoulders with 5% - 8% Combat Art Damage and NO Penalty now, do a little research.

Not Only That, The Choker also adds "Spell Damage +10%"

Godwin · 12-10-2008, 12:10 PM

1. OK, if you're going to quote someone, please don't reply INSIDE the quotes...

2. I don't want to be like the 192nd person to auto-flame you, but I'm asking you to state your case with logic.

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Crusaders get almost 100% Spell Critical Chance for using the same amount of points. and for 4 more, they can get almost 100% Heal Critical chance as well!

First, you aren't listing the exact detail behind these. Second, that has nothing to do with this discussion. Don't bring Crusader AAs into this when we're talking about fixing a failed Zerk AA line. We have our strong AA lines and not only are your suggestions broken on their own merit, they would also break us when you factor in the existing strong lines.

Anyone that thinks Wisdom should be as over-powered as the existing gimp version is underpowered, just isn't thinking with their brain. You have to factor in complete class balance when you talk about entire AA line revamps.

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It was meant to reduce the physical damage, and its broken atm, because it does not really do anything but add mit, and it almost makes NO Difference what so ever having 1 or 8 points into it, because its obviously broken!

I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. You quoted my reply about the end ability, yet seem to not be talking about it.

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Godwin · 12-10-2008, 12:17 PM

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Warriors Don't Benefit as much with +Combat Art Damage% As other classes since we have the weakest CA's.

No shit? The fact is its still an increase, and a notable one on my parser - have you checked yours with it or do you even have it? Granted, I don't use it that often given the drawback in raids and the combat changes brought about in TSO, but still.

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And not only that, theres shoulders with 5% - 8% Combat Art Damage and NO Penalty now, do a little research.

Do research? Trust me bud, I've done more, forgotten more, and will continue to do more in terms of what I've done and research.

As for the shoulders... gee, look at the small % you listed in comparison to what you offered up to us. The largest number being 8% is still only HALF of what you want. Plus, its gear, not a set, all-the-time passive AA ability.

You still haven't said how in the hell you can justify the % CA increase + a similar DA % increase.

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Not Only That, The Choker also adds "Spell Damage +10%"

And?