Lyger

even fully offensive, dual wielding with offensive gear does not guarantee you aggro but of course it is the best way to try.

Sleyxx

I have the same problem holding aggro. I OT for my guild its becoming a problem now we are raiding VP and ToK. I need help figuring out HOW to get and HOLD aggro. I have JoA and Harbinger from SoH. Raging leviathan girdle and other fun hate items. I normally run O stance with Harbinger for dps or use Marrs Fist Protector for def stance.. any advice would be appreciated

Balkolth

insolence is hax

grandmasterub

Agreed. I ran an easy zone tonight (DF) but had no hate xfer and we wiped like 5 times. I cant even remember the last time I died in that zone and it was just a freakin bitch.

Nage

After gu51, I predict that we will see a lot of people running defensive stance with offensive gear.

kascall

Maybe its just me but i never really see anything improve by going defensive stance. Still seem to get hit just as hard and as much even with 78% avoidance with our temps running. Only thing i do notice is the lack of agro control with loss of DPS unless i have dirge hate plus transfer. I just stay offensive stance if i have to go sword and board /shrug. This of course is without having adrenaline running...god damn i dont miss being a guardian....just felt like saying that.

Xalmat

You mean you don't already? I plan on dual wielding in defensive after GU51; it's nearly as much avoidance as sword and board in offense stance is right now, and way more avoidance than dual wielding in offensive is right now.

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NitzHairspritz

Heh. I cannot wait to see how the devs try and "fix" Def Stance Dual Wielders. That is going to drive them nuts.

Nitz is T1 shard armor, fabled epic, throatripper, Hate tower, Honorbound Vambraces (+8 aggression remember), Tramplers Boots, Signet of Betrayal and then TSO legendary jewelry with heavy dps bias.

Here are some number from Test:

DT / Tower (mit,avoid)
No Stance: 4476, 8232
Of Stance: 4476, 7680
De Stance: 5282, 9828

DT / Throatripper
No Stance: 4476, 5387
Of Stance: 4476, 4836
De Stance: 5282, 6984

From live (same gear, diff food/drink)

DT / Tower
No Stance: 4556, 8352
Of Stance: 4556, 7704
De Stance: 5362, 9912

DT / Throatripper
No Stance: 4556, 5508
Of Stance: 4556, 4872
De Stance: 5362, 7068

I have a hard time seeing any real difference. So what are these changes doing really?

Xalmat

In Defensive stance, your auto-attack goes down 30%. And in Offensive stance they're making it so you can't taunt, and you take 5% more damage. That's their "fix"

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Nage

Newp, offensive gear in offensive stance until gu51 goes live. After the update I will play around with different gear.