MT guard betraying to Zerk

Tumor73 · 05-26-2009, 02:57 PM

What are you thought on betraying from a Guart MT to a Zerker OT. What are your thoughts on Zerks as OTs in the current progression of the game?

The short is this, I am a Guard in a MT role, and currently an officer plays a Guard that is not as well geared as me, but knows the class well. Since we have a open spot for OT, I thought I would offer to betray over to a Zerk to fill that role.

What do you all think in regards to the benefits vs reward? Is it worth it? Can Zerks do the OT job effectively in TSO?

Most guilds go with crusadors for OT spots, and its actually tough to find a Zerker OT on my server. This is mostly to how OP crusadors are right now, but none the less they get the most love from guilds looking to find an OT.

Thank you for your responses.

Onedustinone · 05-26-2009, 03:29 PM

zerkers are amazing ot's also if they are played right. zerkers are amazing MT's if played right.

i say go for it

Maciz · 05-26-2009, 03:50 PM

Why not keep 2 guards? You as MT the other as OT. Probably not the best setup, but will do the job just the same

Tumor73 · 05-26-2009, 05:00 PM

Maciz,

Only for the fact that some fights do make it easier to haev an AoE speced class, Xebnok for example on the adds. Zerkers and SK just do it easier.

In addition for raid wide buffs, it does help to have another class in there to bring a little more on the margin then just defense.

I have not made my mind up as of yet. As DPS goes on single targets Zerkers as I have seen parse about the same as Guards. We currently have a zerk filler for some raids, and his DPS is that below the Guard unless there are multiple mobs to take down.

Pinski · 05-26-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumor73

Maciz,

Only for the fact that some fights do make it easier to haev an AoE speced class, Xebnok for example on the adds. Zerkers and SK just do it easier.

In addition for raid wide buffs, it does help to have another class in there to bring a little more on the margin then just defense.

I have not made my mind up as of yet. As DPS goes on single targets Zerkers as I have seen parse about the same as Guards. We currently have a zerk filler for some raids, and his DPS is that below the Guard unless there are multiple mobs to take down.

Last time I fought Xebnok, Mages tanked the adds.

Tumor73 · 05-26-2009, 05:16 PM

That being said, we are new to the fight, and if anything I would be on Xeb as well. You might be completely correct.

Nafawo · 05-26-2009, 05:26 PM

Why not have the lesser geared tank betray if you need an AE tank that badly so you don't have to re-gear an MT?

Xalmat · 05-26-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nafawo

Why not have the lesser geared tank betray if you need an AE tank that badly so you don't have to re-gear an MT?

Indeed. Having to regear sucks, might as well have the lesser tank do it so that it's not as hard on your raid force.

I'll echo what was said above. You don't want two guardians on a raid, you want a guardian and berserker, so that the buffs complement the raid force (guardians add +Defense, berserkers add +DPS and reuse). You also want a true AE tank for a lot of encounters, ie Zerker or SK, just to make everyone's lives easier.

Tumor73 · 05-26-2009, 07:08 PM

The other Guard tank in question has great gear, all fabled, most instance fabled, and then some raid tank gear that went to alts. He plays the class very well.

He almost has the AAs at 169 to get his end lines. I with 200 AA on the other hand, being the guild leader, and MT we made some great progression in the last 6 months.

Why betray: In order to keep the progression moving we need a stable OT who shows up to raids. I was originally a Zerker a year ago, before any of the changes took place, so I know the class some what. Need a big refresher though.

All in all, just weighing out the options. It is a decision that will take me some time to make. When I last played a Zerker, I was doing great DPS, and we all know what led to the mass betrayls to Guards at the start of 2008.

No doubt the remake of the Zerk Myth is awesome, but what I keep seeing is that both tanks on single targets parse the same. On multiple mobs the zerk is his own group though when it come to DPS. Has AoE control gotten that much better wiith end line AA Jeering Onslaught and the improved Gibe? Both have to dual wield in Off stance to hold agro.

This for me at least this is a tough decision. Starting a guild, and MTing it for 6 months through VP, Trak, and TSO was great. Will betraying to a zerker, having a stable MT officer, and now me as a stable OT do the trick to move us past our hump is what I have to answer.

Xalmat · 05-26-2009, 08:01 PM

Jeering Onslaught and improved Gibe are phenomenal for AoE snap aggro (though Gibe can and will get you in trouble).

Berserkers also make good main tanks, perhaps better than Guardian at times due to being able to use Adrenaline for those "Oh Shit" moments or for the initial pull where mobs aren't debuffed.

The main thing with switching from Guardian to Berserker, besides having to get your mythical again, is getting your TSO set pieces again. I'd personally try to stockpile some Berserker set pieces before you commit, then once you betray immediately get your Fabled and Mythical. Course you being the guild leader, it shouldn't be hard ;)