alaya

with full set armor it'd be 9% double attack instead of 5% from the bracers, or did you have some other armor pieces in mind that help more with dps? (don't really know all eof armor yet)

i really do like that dw dps zerg build

Skel

was thinking mayong bracers and rumbler shoulders to get back savagery2 that we lose from howler, legplates of underworld from tier 5 and umm, yeah thats all. This is from a pure DPS point of view =]

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lost

From pvp test, Acceleration strike got kind of nerfed with its buff. It adds 25% casting and recovery speed as well as a small amount of damage (250-400ish?), but the duration is reduced to 17.6 seconds for 1 point invested instead of 1 minute, and 2 points was 19 seconds. Basically now if you spend 8 points you can have it up most of the time.

Double attack was reduced from 76% to 60%, and our 4.5% riposte and 4.5% block was switched to 8% riposte, which at least gives some more space for improvement (which I'm guessing RoK is going to have more items that increase hate transfer %, double attack %, etc and being close to the caps already meant they had no room for itemization).

The 15% extra taunting attached to str5 is entirely worthless as it is attached to the buff for when you go below 50% life.

I'm suprised that the wis line got touched as little as it did. The reason for this is that the only reason a raider might think to get it is for wis5, and that is the only portion that was improved. It would have been nice to have wis4 changed to something non-mit.

As far as potential respecs, 4/4/8 agi could be really nice, or even going to 4/4/8/6/2 agi for any zerker offtanks to eat an ae every 3 minutes. I'm also thinking that even though I can use a non-sword with acceleration strike, those points might be needed in str4 for additional hate with the hate transfer reductions coming in gu36.

Skel

think my new build will be 41 int, 44882 sta, and 4482 str. Just cant believe we got another LU13 all over again. Figured they learned thier lesson last time when it killed subs.

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Josey

will be interesting to see. I was always off ~ 200dps when using 2 hander going down int/str line compared to sta/str line with buckler.
with changes i see the gap closing somewhat, however after looking over the changes closer I'm not certain it will close enough to make difference. especially if I get my hands on brim hammer.
The downfall of this patch for me at least..
1. the hate transfer. this is going to make brigs work hard at not getting aggro constantly, and casters will spend good 2 weeks of raiding till they get into another groove of DPS. they're will be some hate transfer modifiers, but not enough to compensate for the huge chnage come launch day.
2. losing block. most have done the numbers, btu the % chance to block saves shit ton of dmg received on those long ass fights, like woushi, mayong ..<insert crazy ass AE joust heavy mob here>

upside..
1. I will seriously consider going down the agi line for the AE immune every 3 mins.

2. more casters will die, and that makes me happy in the pants..

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Frogweiser

My concern is that im truely never the MT ... i OT everything we do. The buckler build allowed me to have some pretty good avoidance and still be able to do moderate amount of dps. With this patch im truely up in the air on my AA's. Im gonna run with my setup i have currently and see how much of a difference the 60% double attack and the 4.5 % loss of block is going to make on me. The end line of strength adding the 15% to taunting is kind of a joke, considering you have to be below 50% health for it to start working.

Frogweiser

With these changes to the weapons in the AGI line guards can now use there reinforcments with the extra AE damage they are doing and basically copy that of berserkers gibe. Im starting to wonder the key features that make us different from a guard and why its better to be a berserker. Maybe im thinking to much into it, but i feel like we just took the nerf bat to an all new level.

Lizerd Keng

I'm wondering the same thing. The guard MT in the guild holds aggro fine (and with a tower I might add) against our 35k+ raid, and most times even on multi mob encounters (only losing it to me or the early nuker). I feel that with the guards EoF tree, thier EoF class gear, and how they upped thier auto attack damage a few months back, has put a lot of seperation between the classes. Don't get me wrong, I love playing my zerk and I still believe we can tank anything in game, but soe has surely made it alot more attractive and easier to play a guard (vs a zerker). I mean, comparing the pants tells the story from the start of EoF on. Our 10 health regen vs their 36 second reduction on reinforcement. I'd like to be able to cast gibe without fear of pulling the 3 rooms next to the one I'm in. I'd like to get the 10% less taunt resists without the added range. I'd like it to be upgraded, since it's now grey, and will be even worse come level 80. I'd also like a big reduction in recast time. If they want people to continue rolling, and playing zerkers, I think we deserve some love this expansion, and more than what I've pointed out here.

Frogweiser

^^ Amen bruva Lizerd

Valthor

Alright so taking this all into perspective.....
Used to be

Warrior with DA 76 Percent
80 Dmg Rtg= Appx 140 Dmg Rtg(If Prim Auto and DA both hit)

Warrior with DW
60 DMG Rtg+60 Dmg Rtg.= Appx 120 Dmg Rtg. (if both Prim and Off hit)

Now

Warrior with DA 60 Percent.
80 Dmg Rtg=Appx 130 Dmg Rtg(If Prim and DA hit)

Warrior with DW
80 Dmg Rtg+80 Dmg rating = 160 Dmg Rating(If Prim and Off hit)

(Just a basic breakdown)

Its looking like slight drop in DPS for Tanking Zerkers with Buckler
and for when you arent tanking it would be retarded to not DW for the extra DPS... (I mean Grim Brimstone + Something else.... WOW)

But with the Addition to Agil line(40 Percent Auto on all frontal)... I cant see NOT taking it.... In addition I cant see not taking Stam line either if they make it from Buckler to all shields. I dont think that their is a Warrior out there who wouldnt take Stam line....

This is going to take a lot of thought to figure out which way to go and a lot more details(Just buckler or all shields damnit!) from the Dev's. Did they give an approx publish date? And I hope they give a free respec and reset everyones respec cost timers back to 10G for this.

Oh and 2-H Wep= 100ish Dmg rtg....... HAHAHA Grats Crusader on your new Junk@