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    Reflexes is mostly ok. Not 100% ok, but if you are using it, you probably aren't having hate issues to begin with. It's not like you are using it on pull or anything. Mostly Reflexes is a huge Guard tool. STR tree Endline should be a % HP buff, i'll agree to that. And instant cast AE's are a joke on any tank class right now. By the time you have built the increments to have instant cast, everything is on cool down. Stupid.

    Only thing needed to be fixed on Reversal is to take the minimum time off it. When it was introduced, it had to be tuned like this. Now, in the stat inflation and dps inflation we have now, it needs to be removed.

    Wis isn't really junk. Just used at a low level of gearing. Accuracy and Mit Increase associated with stances isnt bad when not geared.

    The big difference is this. Check your burst DPS on aoe add pops vs. your SK. You should be at or above him. If not, the class is still being shit on.
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    I parse more than our monk SK on aoe fights when im offensiv and dwing now. Not much but what i compare it to is defensiv vs defensiv and offensiv vs offensiv. Its hard to see for me atleast since our sk is wearing a shield most of the time. Tbh this class for me anyway should bring more utility than a SK do. so dps is not a issue. Only time i use reflexes are on co-oping adds. Or to block a heavy aoe. Said i threads befor its okish. Not good.... but oksih. We cant use it as other tanks can use their temp avoidance buffs tho. As for reversal lower it to like 5-10 minimum time would make it good again. Its one of the things that could fix alot of stuff with both guards and zerks imo. We need dps when having a shield not when dwing and in reckless so reversal is the way to go. Also fixing reversal would make dragon reflexes better as it would proc alot when you have that one up.

    Accuracy is the only nice thing on that AA... and 4 is just meh... Check it how much you gain from 4% mit increas. Its so small its not even good at lower lvls imo.

    The litle zerks gain on burst dps on poping adds we will lose once the adds are dead kinda.

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    Actually, SK's are for mage type groups and zerkers are supposed to be for scoutish type groups. Both fill a roll. As for the SK always running sword and board, their aa in the Shadows tree make it far superior to using a 2hander. Reflexes isn't even something I would spec as a Zerk anyway. Far too much lost for it. You have enough saves on add pops to mitigate the damage from them and you lose too much agro generation. Only thing I could see it for would be MT'ing as a zerk and there are alot of things wrong with that. Make the damn Monk MT. They have more tools geared towards that anyway. And really, as OT snatching up adds, you will probably be running Offensive anyway, so the defensive side of that aa is pointless. The wis endline I mean.

    On reversal, I would take it back to it's original form, which was that it had no minimum time. Was awesome back then but the mechanics and dps at the time made it majorly OP. Now days, no minimum time would put it in line.
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    But you do need something like Reflexes no matter what you do imo. Maybe not this expansion... But take Grindstone for a example. I tank grindstone and adds with our monk. Right after adds spawn he normaly outs our monk and im on adds and named. With out reflexes on that fight Co-ops would normaly have killed me. Adrenaline heals on co-op.s aswell as damage reduction reduce them but its still alot of damage if you have like 10adds co-oping you with every hit. So tbh reflexes is not a waste in any form. Sure the rest of the agi line is a waste for a zerk. But thats why i think they should put it in the sta line. As that tree is about avoidance.

    And tbh OTing is not just about swarms of adds. You sometimes have to tank another named or a memwiping named with your Main tank. Zerks cant really just be the swarm of adds tank as it would be a waste... You could easy use another tank that works fine for both. And yes sometimes i OT adds dwing and offensiv but sometimes you have to tank something that hits harder either adds or another named and then you are better off with a shield.

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    Teach me more about tanking please, lol. I think you are making this alot harder than is necessary. I mean, using the grindstone fight as an example, I have done it as a Monk, Bruiser, Zerker and SK. Both as tanking the Bull and tanking Grindstone. There are so many tools that you have that doesn't require Reflexes. Meh, nm, tired of the conversation. Have fun with the class.
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    All bullshit aside, reflexes is good for MT-like circumstances, but not any other time. Keep it on a mirror for when you need it. Which will be about 5% of the time. That's counting PoW, for what it's worth.
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    Making it alot harder? Im not saying you cant tank stuff. I dont know you or anything about you. Im telling you that reflexes are not as worthless as you claim even as a OT.

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    Ignore my "teach me more about tanking" comment. I was irritated at something completely unrelated. But, my point was, while Reflexes has it's merits, it is far more useful as a tool for Guardians than Zerkers. I have it on a mirror spec for my Zerk, but I would be being generous in saying that I would need it about or less than 10% of my time raiding. Commanders..... very few others as well. Too much is lost using it.

    There are enough tools to mitigate damage output (now, not the beginning of DoV or even in Drunder time period). Before this wasn't the case and best chance to raid successfully as a Zerker prior to SS release was to have a Warden and Shaman in your group. Now days, not so much, regardless of content.
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    I have it all the time atm. Have no other way to spec to change it out as i find the tree abit meh over all. other than the stuff i have atm. Its nice sometimes to use to avoid a aoe or 2 aswell. I agree guardians might see more use from its effect but tbh i still like I would pref them to remove the cancel by CA tho and place it in the sta tree.

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    So is the general concensus that left side is best for heroic tanking?

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