valadil

i have the cloak and i like it. i might even spec for HAT for another way to spike up my power for when i give myself the gimp groups (damn people for not being flagged for t2 yet...) honestly though, there isn't anything great in our tree to take, so it doens't matter what u do with those 20 extra aa /shrug

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Zalathorm

i didnt know the cloak has 4 crit on it, nice! in other scenario's though, why have a power cloak when you can have a dps cloak (assuming you cant get one that has both!). why have phantom handle when you can add a dps adornment. these are made by HAT, or at least more viable. its not completely worthless.

Lord Pantz

1 phantom handle = all of anyones power problems. dont come back at me with "well pantz you could be using a vampiric handle or some other proc handle over that phantom handle if you had this AA."

fuck that. 1 phantom handle nets me more dps than any dps handle which will make up about 1% of your zw just in extra cas i could use on a longer fight.

im not claiming safehouse is christ either because if you are on top of your shit you dont need the safety net, and in grouping its just good to hijack names from people.

HAT is a waste of points, there is no swooning or convincing me, nor a "to each their own argument" if you are a raiding brigand. you should have no power issues, you shouldnt be interceding, nothing else in that line is helpful towards raiding brigands.

if you want to take it because you like it, fine it is your choice and i respect that but it doesnt mean its the best choice.

and before you get extra bitchy all of my arguments are coming from a raiders perspective. you all know i dont give 2 fucks about PVP, and our brigand AAs are pretty worthless to the grouping/questing brigand as it is.

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Choadley

I don't think anyone could realistically argue it is the best line, just an option for some builds. In my testing, I was in full time on a named. If I saw my power dipping down at all and the tank dropped from green at any moment, I dropped HAT and could generate anything from 20-35% power back to my bar. It is useful...everyone is going to have their own reasons, gear, group make ups. I won't try to convince you it's right for you, but I will completely say it's "useful" in some setups. ;)

My personal opinion is that the entire last line down to AE reducer does jack shit...so really, I don't feel like anyone is making or breaking their character by choosing either line.

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Zalathorm

agreed choadley.... its obviously not the best choice, but its definitely a useful and viable option.

lyasa

eh. the tree is basically so bleh after getting tenure it doesn't matter what you get. i picked up safehouse and all the deagro skills, but once in a while i have to cast a deagro, so i like them to be up quicker.

currently using 2 phantom handles. they and a regen class are usually enough to keep me in power for almost any fight that i've been involved in. (no avatar fights and almost no contested, so feel free to say i dunno wtf i'm talking about cause i've never killed an avatar)

firamas

1) a single phantom proc wont be "all of your power needs" unless you always have a bard+chanter double regen as well in your group. not everyone gets the perfect group all the time on raids. not everyone is blessed with the TNT cloak either. the majority of the raiding rogue population runs two phantom handles as a default setup, and then add whatever extra regen they need from there. usually, with just 2 handles i am fine on power, with an occasional heart/shard click if i'm feeling froggy.
2) being able to use another two DD procs on your weapons instead of phantom handles DOES add up to 2-3% ZW DPS in a decent group. that is not insignificant. don't pretend like its not.


well this thread isnt about safehouse, its about HAT. you can get 3 of the EOF endlines, and enhance:assault is effectively useless, so uhhhhh... keep the safehouse debate in another thread. (i personally think its pretty much useless too, but the times you would want it its definitely nice to have on a hotbar)


shouldn't be interceding? who are you to pass judgement on what works as an effective raid strategy? due to AR and critical debuffs, brigands get to spend more time than most classes sitting behind the named mob. wtfux is wrong with helping save the raid when the main tank takes a critical melee hit? our intercede is 50/50 and its partially prevented, so we dont go "splat" like some other fighters might. oh, and i suppose instantly gaining huge chunks of your power pool back and/or preventing raid wipes is only for idiots who dont know what they're doing. my bad.

you dont seem "to respect that", based on your previous statements

can you assholes stop bringing up PVP? no one at any point said HAT was useful in PVP. in fact we (i) have said the opposite, in response to someone who mentioned it offhandedly.

Metal

With this point you are just plain wrong lol.

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Tholar

the only thing helpful in that line is the negotiation reduced recast, thats about it.

no need for hardened if you sit at 6 to 7k resists already. taunt is useless, so is the fake fd CA. 15% increase of mitigation on an intercede does jack shit if an epic hits a mage for like 14k+ (especially beeing on a 1min recast then)

firamas

well, i would say that the defending line is, on the whole (not counting endlines), about as useful as the safehouse line.

-AE cooldown is certainly nice.
-the mercy upgrade isnt great but when another scout pulls aggro (which is when i usually blast it off.. and i have it hotkeyed to a mouse button btw) the mitigations might make the difference between them going splat on the next melee hit. i rarely use this on mages (in raids at least), just because in most occassions they WILL die in one hit anyway, and you need to get hit for it to work.
-taunt upgrade is fucking fantastic for PvP. it's one of our best abilities because of the debuff (doubling that up on a healer will strip all HOTs/reactives and some of their buffs - it's fucking insanely good). i use it religiously. having it on a 7.5 recast is mmmdelicious. (and yes, this is PvP specific of course, but some people do care about PvP and we're discussing non-endline stuff now)
-the upgrade to shenanigans is usable when soloing (i use this right as the stunlock is wearing off if i'm soloing heroics), and has minor utility in raids as a "i can tank pretty well so stealing aggro for a few seconds (then dropping it) in an unstable situation might help save a wipe".

none of these are incredibly useful, but we only have 1 line (potency) that's really a "gotta have" type thing anyway.