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Old 02-12-2008, 10:38 AM  
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Default Re: Epic Weapons good nuff to consider WIS spec?

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i think i won't. this thing gives us +9% da, with current gear i have 2% from sarnak utility belt and chance to proc additional 2 times10%. with any bard in group, its +10. so natural of 11% + proc of 20% + bard 10% practically 40% without arm. seems better to make it dw and getting arm with 65% da, 100+ haste, and 2 weapon, 2xstats, and other thingies. with throatripper this one must rock.
Think of the stuff you can now swap out tho with wis spec + mythical weapon.

For instance you cud swap out sarnak belt for the new collection belt ( gives 25ish haste + 2 melee crit iirc ) Also you could swap out trooper boots ( 10% DA proc ) for skittering whispers ( 4% melee crit boots )

I mean we all can agree the mythical weapons have sick spreads + other things, so just my thoughts is all.
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Old 02-12-2008, 10:52 AM  
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i think i won't. this thing gives us +9% da, with current gear i have 2% from sarnak utility belt and chance to proc additional 2 times10%. with any bard in group, its +10. so natural of 11% + proc of 20% + bard 10% practically 40% without arm. seems better to make it dw and getting arm with 65% da, 100+ haste, and 2 weapon, 2xstats, and other thingies. with throatripper this one must rock.
You are aware, the ring and boots don't stack, so you only get 10%. Which means you get 31% while the proc is up, giving you 100%, roughly.

Mythical Epic with 100% DA:
With a 50% Crit Chance, you will do (335.509, 167.755 DPS){4s}


Throatripper with 30% DA:
With a 50% Crit Chance, you will do (269.542, 65.742 DPS){5.33s}

Mythical Epic with 30% DA:
With a 50% Crit Chance, you will do (335.509, 81.8316 DPS){5.33s}

Total for DW Setup is 147.5736 DPS. Less than the Mythical Epic. Of course, if you get to 40% DA, it changes to 158.9253, and at 50% DA it's 170.2772. Overall, it looks like WIS line would probably be the better setup(assuming you have 100% DA), unless you run at or above 45% DA while in a DW setup.
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Old 02-12-2008, 10:54 AM  
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Default Re: Epic Weapons good nuff to consider WIS spec?

also depends on what you got as secondary weapon. assuming you have witchdoctor it could be already at 40% or less DA.

and especially with that mileyx talon it could be under 30% DA
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Total for DW Setup is 147.5736 DPS. Less than the Mythical Epic. Of course, if you get to 40% DA, it changes to 158.9253, and at 50% DA it's 170.2772. Overall, it looks like WIS line would probably be the better setup(assuming you have 100% DA), unless you run at or above 45% DA while in a DW setup.
Assuming the math is correct - the difference is slightly less than 23 DPS; however, what are you giving up to spec Wisdom?

Assuming you go 4/6/4/8/2 STR and 4/4/4/8 WIS and 4/6/4/8/2 AGI cause I believe sailwind is worth more than coule for pure dps, but either way... You are giving up the 20 points that weren't spent in WIS. Personally I maxed boot dagger and maxed out STR 2 and AGI 2. I have no idea what the total DPS difference is to have boot dagger (and the extra rob that goes with it), but I wonder if it makes up for the 23 dps difference.
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Assuming the math is correct - the difference is slightly less than 23 DPS; however, what are you giving up to spec Wisdom?

Assuming you go 4/6/4/8/2 STR and 4/4/4/8 WIS and 4/6/4/8/2 AGI cause I believe sailwind is worth more than coule for pure dps, but either way... You are giving up the 20 points that weren't spent in WIS. Personally I maxed boot dagger and maxed out STR 2 and AGI 2. I have no idea what the total DPS difference is to have boot dagger (and the extra rob that goes with it), but I wonder if it makes up for the 23 dps difference.
My numbers don't include haste, dps, str, debuffs, rogue damage-bonus, which will make the difference A LOT more than 23.
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its actually not that hard to hit 45% DA without an illys buffs while DW right now

i'm sitting at 20% self buffed (30 with the ring) and i'm not even wearing the mayong's bracers (which would be another 5)

with the added 9% from the mythic i'm pretty sure i'd be over 45% self buffed DA + an illy would net me more dps then going 1handed. of course if i was 1 handed i'd be over 100% da with just a bard. and both setups are assuming a 55% self buffed crit rate. it will be intresting to test out the differances. my personal oppinon is that DW the mythic + throatripper or witchking will net us more dps then going 1 handed with just the mythic. i should hopefully have it done by sunday or tuesday next week to start the testing
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You are aware, the ring and boots don't stack, so you only get 10%.
yup i missed that.
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Think of the stuff you can now swap out tho with wis spec + mythical weapon.

For instance you cud swap out sarnak belt for the new collection belt ( gives 25ish haste + 2 melee crit iirc ) Also you could swap out trooper boots ( 10% DA proc ) for skittering whispers ( 4% melee crit boots )

I mean we all can agree the mythical weapons have sick spreads + other things, so just my thoughts is all.
sarnak belt will be swapped for the collection belt as i get it. crits r the same, and 25 haste > 1% da. at least i could wear treasureseeker's band. means +4% da at all, so i'd only gain da compared with i said.
same with the boots.
i'm not convinced i should use wis line.
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sarnak belt will be swapped for the collection belt as i get it. crits r the same, and 25 haste > 1% da. at least i could wear treasureseeker's band. means +4% da at all, so i'd only gain da compared with i said.
same with the boots.
i'm not convinced i should use wis line.
O I was just trying to get the general idea across is all, that with wis line + mythical weapon you would have room to sacrifice DA for more crits. ( since imo it's fairly easy to get 100% DA with wis line. )
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My raid buffed double attack with the mythical is 67% double attack. And once wayn gets unlazy it will be 77%. I don't see the WIS line being viable for a high end raider.
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