Choadley

With the current state of equipment in the raid zones, I can't say I wouldn't be too shocked if much of the avatar loot sucked as well.

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Tuna

I don't see how they could design items that are better than some of the T7 avatar loot.

Crit robe, stoneskin boots?

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Tholar

all brawler only, bets anyone?

Choadley

Yeah, that seems to be the going rumor doesn't it? I would love a chain crit BP to replace my robe. Do I think for a second that I'm going to get it? hahaha

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Orochan

Don't be so easily disillusioned, Swash CA's suck balls for damage, this has always been known. Swashies make up for the sucky damage in that all of their CA's are generally 30 secs or less in recast time.

So that 10% is not as good as you think it is.

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firamas

Swash CA's dont "suck balls"... you get faster recasts but slightly less dmg. Similiar thing with monk/bruiser. One hits harder, but less often.

Your 10% is an ACROSS THE BOARD increase to EVERY CA cast. I've never underhow how people can be so bad at math that they can't figure out why a straight % based increase to everything is good.

If you hit twice as hard but only half as often, you aren't doing any more damage than the other guy.

Batu

I agree that while the +crit, +DA, dammage spread, and top end dammage of the weapon is awesome, the procs do really suck. I agree with Yobor that even if they dont give us something to increase our dps through the roof, it would be nice to give us something that makes the entire raids dps increase. I like the sugestions Yobor put out there especially one about raid wide 100% crits while dispatched is on.

That is what we do, increase the raids DPS through debuffs and that falls directly inline. That plus the 30% CA modifer applied to rear and flanking abilities would start to give our epic the WOW factor.

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Orochan

All at 636 str.

Dispatched master 1 = 1166 - 1864

Lung bleed master 1 = 841 - 1322



Kidney stab master 2 = 983 - 1175

Side stab master 1 = 967 - 1433

Your a joke if you think Swashy CA's compare to brig Ca's damage wise. Yes of course they have a faster recast, but that's only to offset the low damage.

I fail to see how people don't realize 10% of 100 is less then 10% of 1000.

Now this may in fact beat brigs getting only getting a damage bonus to 4 CA's ( which should be 8 tho ) but it's not as big an advantage as some people make it out to be, so don't try to say it is, plus you guys get a 10% improved debuffs across the board, for all your debuffs, so shut it.

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TheEasternking

it is 4 ca's, and 10% to debuffs ? lmao it does FUCK ALL ..we got the ability to increase nearly every debuff we have in EOF ..you know when you swashys got some nice new shit hot AA abilitys.
guess what, they do fuck all, the abilitys were tried, found to do nothing noticeable at all to a raid and respec's purchased and point's spent elsewhere.
Guess what again? thats right 10% increase to debuffs STILL does jack shit.

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firamas

Are you even matching up comparable CA's there? Lung bleed is not the counterpoint to Dispatch. How much does our stealthed attack do compared to swashies? How about our AE's? How many total damage CA's does each class have? Is it an AE fight or not?

The two classes have different types of CA's. Yes, they are similar. But there is not an across-the-board direct counterpoint to compare. If you want to compare it you do it like this:
1) Take every brigand CA, divide the max listed dmg by the recast time. This gives you a "dmg/sec" figure for each one, a reference point for comparison DPS. Add up all of those results.
2) Repeat for all swashbuckler CA's.
3) Compare those two final totals.

Any idiot can take two random abilities that look like they might be similar, compare them, and claim they have some point to argue against.


Do you understand... math? Division? Multiplication? Addition? A decent grasp of all three of these elementary school abilities are required before you can understand why "faster recast on lower damage CA's" makes sense.


10% of 100, carried out across 10 separate hits, is the same as 10% of 1000. If you hit ten times as hard, you're only hitting 1/10th as often.


Our "improved debuffs":
A) affect the entire raid equally
B) are almost useless due to the cap on mitigation debuffs (+200% dmg taken on the mob)


Go back to the swash boards. We have enough idiots within our own community, we don't need to pollute this board with morons from outside of it as well.