Mythical Brigand Epic - Page 8

Tiermes · 02-14-2008, 06:00 PM

Brigand mythic is just another reason to triple up the debuffs (as i already do if no master strike)

Mendanbar · 02-14-2008, 06:45 PM

I think the point that people are missing here is... Brigs aren't jealous of the 10% to all because of what it does for swashes, they're jealous of what it COULD do for brigs compared to 30% for only 4 :P.

Tiermes · 02-14-2008, 07:22 PM

30% for 8 of the brig will end up being marginally better then 10% for 15 of the swashie..still hoping for a fix. WTB 2x9k mastery crits

Tholar · 02-14-2008, 08:01 PM

Orochan you are a moron if you think brigands are more utility than swashbucklers.

we are atm because Sony fails at making skill mean something, thats all you lack atm. and we shouldnt get more dps? ye right, i hear that everywhere from ppl who have no fucking clue about beeing a brigand. we got shafted since eof start (aa tree beeing crap, AR beeing nerfed to a luck skill [dont get me wrong there a nerf was due, but what lockeye did was just destroying the skill], now the mythical weapon improving just 4 combat arts by 30%?)...

yet swashbucklers have some really desireable things in their eof tree, hurricane wasnt nerfed, their mythical beats us (not much but still does), so why arent we allowed to moan when you already moan about your proc beeing shit (which infact is 60% of the time up and maybe even more with some more haste), your CA's getting improved by 10%, the TS thing is kinda a meh-thing but still quite good and making you just as utility as us. and the only thing which makes us really t2 dps atm (even if all the tier dps thinking died long ago or should have) are buffs. solo we are pretty crap atm compared to swashbucklers.

and to all devs reading this: I DONT WANT ANY EPIC NERFED! boost the others to something usefull, give us the "WOW"-effect other classes experienced when they saw their mythical weapon. Mythicals should be the be all end all weapons in this game, so why nerf them?

TheEasternking · 02-14-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tholar

Orochan you are a moron if you think brigands are more utility than swashbucklers.

we are atm because Sony fails at making skill mean something, thats all you lack atm. and we shouldnt get more dps? ye right, i hear that everywhere from ppl who have no fucking clue about beeing a brigand. we got shafted since eof start (aa tree beeing crap, AR beeing nerfed to a luck skill [dont get me wrong there a nerf was due, but what lockeye did was just destroying the skill], now the mythical weapon improving just 4 combat arts by 30%?)...

yet swashbucklers have some really desireable things in their eof tree, hurricane wasnt nerfed, their mythical beats us (not much but still does), so why arent we allowed to moan when you already moan about your proc beeing shit (which infact is 60% of the time up and maybe even more with some more haste), your CA's getting improved by 10%, the TS thing is kinda a meh-thing but still quite good and making you just as utility as us. and the only thing which makes us really t2 dps atm (even if all the tier dps thinking died long ago or should have) are buffs. solo we are pretty crap atm compared to swashbucklers.

and to all devs reading this: I DONT WANT ANY EPIC NERFED! boost the others to something usefull, give us the "WOW"-effect other classes experienced when they saw their mythical weapon. Mythicals should be the be all end all weapons in this game, so why nerf them?

Qfe +1

Paperclip · 02-14-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tholar

we are atm because Sony fails at making skill mean something, thats all you lack atm. and we shouldnt get more dps? ye right, i hear that everywhere from ppl who have no fucking clue about beeing a brigand. we got shafted since eof start (aa tree beeing crap, AR beeing nerfed to a luck skill [dont get me wrong there a nerf was due, but what lockeye did was just destroying the skill], now the mythical weapon improving just 4 combat arts by 30%?)...

yet swashbucklers have some really desireable things in their eof tree, hurricane wasnt nerfed, their mythical beats us (not much but still does), so why arent we allowed to moan when you already moan about your proc beeing shit (which infact is 60% of the time up and maybe even more with some more haste), your CA's getting improved by 10%, the TS thing is kinda a meh-thing but still quite good and making you just as utility as us. and the only thing which makes us really t2 dps atm (even if all the tier dps thinking died long ago or should have) are buffs. solo we are pretty crap atm compared to swashbucklers.

and to all devs reading this: I DONT WANT ANY EPIC NERFED! boost the others to something usefull, give us the "WOW"-effect other classes experienced when they saw their mythical weapon. Mythicals should be the be all end all weapons in this game, so why nerf them?

QFE. Only problem I have is you're a halfling!...Lol.

Scoundril · 02-14-2008, 09:58 PM

When did I roll a support class? If I wanted that, I would have made a support class. Do I feel we are a debuff class? Yes I do, but we are also a scout DPS class yet SOE never gives us ANYTHING to DPS with. It's not our fault brigs are able to beat other classes on the parse. Mabey if they gave those other classes people who knew how to play them they would truly get an accurate parse on their data to compare with but instead you get Joe Shmoe off the streets who doesnt know how to play his class correctly and gets his ass handed to him on the parse and makes the data flawed. Use a proper raid force that knows how the fuck to play to collect your data. Brigs are hard pressed to beat a PROPERLY played assassin, wiz, lock, swash, ranger yet they get a pretty marginal DPS upgrade (asside from swash) with epics and we get jack shit. Hell, after this update guardians got the most DPS increase there is and my guilds MT can already break 2k. When did fighters become the DPS class and us become a shit for DPS class?

Orochan · 02-14-2008, 10:43 PM

If you honestly think a swashbuckler has more utility then a brigand then you have no idea what the concept of utility is about, unless some drastic change occurs, swashies will never bring as much to the raid utility wise as brigands do.

Also I never said you shouldn't get more dps, I said you shouldn't bitch that swashies got a more dps oriented bonus to their weapon, because they are a more dps oriented class then the brigand.

And lol @ bringing soloing into a topic about a top of the line raid weapon.

( note that even if I were a brig I'd still be saying the same thing so for those just jumping on me because I'm a swashbuckler just stfu, this has nothing to do with swash vs brig and everything to do with SOE fucked up game mechanics and put a cap on rogues utility. )

Orochan · 02-14-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoundril

When did I roll a support class?

You misunderstand the difference between support and utility.

Lord Pantz · 02-14-2008, 10:51 PM

Its as easy as this. You can tell the difference when you are raiding without a brigand, however you can't tell the difference if you're raiding without a swashbuckler.

To me that means we have more utility for the raid. Its always been that way.

Now swashes for sure have more utility for their own dps with their AA's where as we got the fucking big purple dildo in the ass when it comes to self utility as opposed to raid utility with our AA's. I think you all need to define your argument because you are probably bitching to each other about 2 separate things.

I think adding our other 4 flanking attacks would put us on par with swashes 10% all CA's especially since one is a master strike and one you need to be stealthed. However I haven't done all the math. I know for the most part swash ca's are lower damage than ours but I know they have just as much as we do so I cant imagine this isn't more of a benefit for them in its current state.

We need AA's that are worth a dick.