Scoundril

I, personally, would be happy if they would just revamp either defending or tactics line to actualyl give us some DPS increases. Neither of those lines is worth a damn right now. If I wanted to truly tank, I would roll a tank classnot take defending line AAs. Only benefit from tactics line is AR proc chance and safehouse. The rest is about Rtarded as can be.

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Rhymez

Our AAs should all like Comprosing add 10% dmg bonus as they do to the debuffs bonus we need a tad more dps overall imo
our epic should have done that for us but it didnt happen
and if we are the Debuff class that make us really superior in that department and add 100% hitrates for the raid while dispatch is up to the AA , i like a lot of Yobors ideas for our epic but our AAs should do that already multiple hit single target proc that cries Brigand
and yes im seriously sick of ppl complaining wed do uber dps already
compared to other classes where players behind them who cant play their class for shit or just slack
the epic is just another slap in the face with all other stupid nerfs in the past and total ass enhancements

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Tholar

i never said swashy is MORE utility as a brigand, they are just as us, although as i mentioned, skill debuffs mean jack shit atm.

about the solo part: that should be a simple comparison and some brigands get pretty lame groups where they have no buffs at all, so the solo buffed arguement still stands.

yobor already stated earlier what we should get as effects.

if any dev is reading this: PLS TAKE THE IDEAS AND DO IT SO!


well pantz i agree that the difference is noticeable atm, but only as many stated already that some game mechanics are fubar. does that mean we should get less dps in comensation? no, ofc not, we are just as a rogue as swashbucklers are, period.

and the eof aa tree revamp was already enough mentioned, just can hope (did i just really write this?) they do something about it and speak to some of the high end raiders how they could change it, so it's "worth a dick".

Lord Pantz

Yarr but thats the way its always been from pp:r/pedastal/dmp to tarinax to mayong to now, the only excepion being T5 when us and swashes would just try to get our shit up between wrath of furies... notice the similarities --orange mobs... thats the mechanic they've gone with since they made the change in T6 to make shit difficult.

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Vlademir

On a slightly related topic, can anyone list the steps in the mythical quest? I've talked to the fortuneteller. Is my next kill the overking or is it pawbuster? Thanks. Vlademir

Lord Pantz

There is a stickied walk through at the top of this forum...

http://www.eq2flames.com/brigands/19...h-brigand.html

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Yobor

I find it amazing we've spent the last 6 pages after my plea for balanced item effects back on page 3.

Am I really the only one that couldn't care less whats less 30% to 4 CA's or 10% to all CA's? Granten I have my own opinion but regardless, I can tell you from personal experience, if you've got a decent raid group, the maximum you're going to see from either CA effect is right around 3-5% zonewide.

Now unless you've been smoking the kithicor crack for the last week and a half its painfully obvious how short this falls of the other class epics. Other classes have improved their zonewides by a factor of 20-35%, some of which have gained utility to boot.

It's mindboggleing to me that everyone seems to be missing the magnitute of this, so let me spell it out.

BOTH ROGUE CLASSES GOT COMPLETELY JACKED ON THEIR MYTHICAL EPIC. Which one of us gained 4% zw vs. which one of us gained 3% zw is completely irrellelevent imo. The bigger issue is the fact that we pretty much gained zero utility and very little dps. I've already stated on page 3 my thoughts for the brigand epic. In the interest of putting this issue to rest I'll go ahead and make a contribution to the swash community as well.

Instructions to fix the swash mythical epic (soe take note):
Remove the 3 trash effects that are currently on the item.

Effect 1:
Perm 4% hate gain on the item (this isn't that overpowered and as a proc its pretty worthless imo)
Effect 2:
Give them the same autoattack modifier I already discussed in my brigand suggestion (you'll note in that post I suggested it be for both rogues).
Effect 3:
Move the AE effect off of traumatic swipe and onto lung puncture (or whatever the hell the upgrade is called). This solves the hitrate issues, and potential stacking issues that may or may not actually exist (I haven't tested the new swash effect in raids to know if there really is a stacking issue with brig swipe, somehow I doubt it, but you never know).
Effect 4:
For the proc effect, give swashes a debuff thats a -15% hitrate debuff that actually works on epics, keep the existing dmg portion of the proc, that seems fine to me. If the duration is short enough, and its unmodifiable by proc buffs, this will still be balanced even though it would be amazingly overpowered if it was up 100%.

This took me all of 6 minutes to come up with and seems pretty damn balanced to me, swashes would see much more improved dps from the autoattack modifier than us (hello hurricane), and the hate xfer, and hitrate modifier fit right in line with previously established swash utility.

Can't we all just get along and get some unified direction towards getting things fixed?

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Sadaen

Very Nice..The bottom line is Rogues in general got screwed. So Rogues in general should join up and get our shit fixed.

Scoundril

Dang swashies... =p

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Vlademir

Thanks I've looked at that thread several times. Great info on the Fabled line but not much substance on the Mythical portion. There are a couple of posts at the end that provide conflicting info on the final epic-epic mob. I was hoping for some info on the start of the epic-epic line, in other words, once the Fabled reward has been retrieved.

A brief overview of the steps between the Fabled reward and the Mythical reward would be great. Since the first thread seemed focused on the Fabled line I posted my question in this thread.