Tholar

granted, merely pointing out that classes which arent actually considered dps get huge dps boosts.

Muddy

I like all the epics so far and can't wait to see them in action together on a raid... I am not totally disappointed with our reward. Least if they have to nerf something, it won't be our epic.

Tholar

are you sure about that?

Ajeco

Lies! All lies!

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Mendanbar

Well, we're defensive debuffers, there are plenty of things they could do... I'd kill to be able to drop even a short term debuff onto a mob like what the monks have on their epic, but something that would benefit the whole raid...

Something like 8 sec on proc, 5% chance for incoming damage (to mob) to ignore defensive checks or to get a second defensive check reroll on failure.

Would cement us as uber debuffers, not be ridiculously overpowered like the monk 50% chance on themselves (that will probably be nerfed within a few weeks), and would make the weapon pretty sweet overall.

I think it comes down to this, we're all going to wear this weapon because most other T8 fabled weapons don't have anything particularly cool on them, they're plain, either have stats, or a proc, or something else... this is definitively better than them, but is it inspiring currently? is it very "epic"? Not compared to what some other classes' epics will do for them.

I really don't think it's too much to ask to get something that works better within current mechanics as a viable debuff if they don't want to give us more dps :P

valadil

i agree with the other posters, the dps potental of the weapon is nice, but it lacks the "wow" factor alot of other epics have. i saw the mytical link and thought to myself... thats it? 10% increase to debuffs is nice, but not breathtaking. i'll deff use it just cuz i don't have anything better for dps, but i'm not excited about it.

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Myrl

Hmm, just saw the swashy mythical epic and it seems their epic got a 3.0 chance to proc Vs our 2.4. Also, they get a 10% increase to all CAs Vs our 30% increase to 4 (?).

Is this supposed to offset by their 'relatively' weaker last effect? (10% reduction to spell dmg on TS)

Orochan

Brigand proc does more damage kuz its DD only, swash proc ( while it has a better proc chance ) procs for less DD but has a 12 sec dot on it, but since its a 3.0 procs per min it's safe to assume this proc will override itself thus losing it's effectiveness and making the brigands proc arguably better.

Also 10% isn't that much imo, compared to 30% ( which is basically a free crit )

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Yobor

Our epic definately leaves some to be desired.

I've now had a chance to raid with it and I can tell you we do not gain anywhere near the raid dps as other classes and our epic effects are not noticable.

1. 30% DPS Improvement on 4 of 20 CA's. Less than a few % on the zonewide.
2. +40 haste, -20 haste on mob. Does nothing, tonight i was sitting at 408 haste in raid, haste is without question the easiest thing to buff in a raid setting. And -haste is perhaps the only thing easier. 1 Brig skill and a poison proc caps out -haste, and like 6 other classes get -haste debuffs.
3. Improves profession debuffs by 10%. This effectively does nothing that I can see. I checked the parse, and no one is hitting noticably harder than they did last week (granted I do have master1 dispatched). My feeling is mit debuffs curve and therefore this does almost nothing. The only good thing about this that wasn't immediately apparent to me is it also effects stuff like -defense.

I am actually really happy with the spread and stats, SOE totally got this right, but the effects are horrible. My suggestions are as follows:

Remove the 3 above effects.

1. Give us a modifier to dispatch that does 1 or more of the following (instead of the +10% to profession)
1: +100% spell/melle/ranged hitrate while dispatched is on
2: 100% of spells/melee/ranged crits while dispatched is on
3: 100% of all items/abillities proc while dispatched is in
This is the type of stuff brigs would drool over and would be totally in line with our class function (raid dps buffers) and the other mythical effects people are getting.

2. Give us some sort of Autoattack modifier(instead of the +30% to 4 cas), the effect on the assassin weapon is straight off of a PM i sent in when I was asked for feedback on the brigand item, I can't even begin to tell you all how frustrated I am that my idea ended up on the assassin weapon. I personally think they should remove the autoattack buff from the assassin weapon and put it on both rogue weapons, rogues have always been the king of scout autoattack dps. Assassins have always derived their dps from CA's, to replace the autoattack effect, the assassin item should get 12% chance to "double up" a stealthed CA. This would make everyone happy.

3. If the +40 haste -20haste went over and above the caps, it would be godly and a good effect. If thats not possible, evern +40dps -20dps would be marginally better for most people. +40dps -20dps over and above the caps would be truely awesome and excite every single brig game wide. I'd also be interested in some sort of effect that would actually lower raid mob dmg output similar to the swash tswipe modifer. Perhaps we can get some sort of debuff that makes the tank more difficult to hit? Something that *actually* effectively lowers raid mob dps output.

With regards to the question about how the 30% mechanic currently works I don't understand the question if someone wants to send me a tell in game i'd be happy to test whatever it is you want Najena.Yobor.

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Orochan

That's fucked up.

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