Mendanbar

Except, with a satchel, you can drop back 2 meters, hit double throw, get 2 hits out of that, an additional ranged autoattack, and be back in in a split second and not have your melee autoattack timers sitting there waiting for the longer bow shot.



Aside from that, I'm of the opinion if you're doing short jousts, I prefer the pouch, but if you're ranging or jousting for longer periods of time out, the bow is probably better assuming comparable dr/stats/etc.


Edit: I should add, as mentioned above, if you can't get into VP and get to the taskmaster and kill him, don't bother. The flesh-shredder satchel is about the only thing that fits the equivalent equation at all. Decent bows are easier to get than decent throwing weapons.

firamas

haste, DPS, and DA affect every weapon EQUALLY. i.e. 100% haste means you swing twice as fast, regardless of what weapon you have equipped. this is a longstanding myth that apparently has been adopted by the mathematically retarded.

crits are the one area where DR starts to blur as far as a proper indicator of damage over time... the weapon with the higher min:max spread benefits more from a very high crit %, and can overcome small shortfalls in DR simply by having the larger spread. now with that said, ranged crit % is usually horrendous for rogues (and really anyone except predators who actively try to buff it), it's so low (<15% even with a bard) that's it's essentially irrelevant in weapon comparisons.

maliak

For a brigand it's personal choice. Become is right with the damage rating thing, but in PvP it's really up in the air.

In PvP a brigand's best chance for survival victory is getting on his target as fast as humany possible. You can do your double dagger for a stun, but often times I find it puts the target I want to hit further away from me defeating the purpose.

I would go with a bow if I had something like RSB, so you can stack a good portion of your damage in one hit, with a longer delay increasing your chances to proc whatever it is you have to proc either poison or gear or otherwise, in that single bow attack before you engage.. fettering poison anyone?

I tried a bow before it seemed unnatural on my brig as i was so used to being able to knock people back from things like posts, and pads and cliffs, but I almost NEVER do that.

And in raid? I'd take a bow yet again, for the same reason I gave above on proc'age.

I am no expert on the subject just sharing what I know and why I would go with a bow in MOST cases, a throwing item only for PvP, in very rare cases.

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Wiz

I disagree completely with this thread.

The 'ranged' slot serves 2 purposes for Brigands (ignoring any relevance to PVP which I don't care about)...

1. Stats
2. The ability to put a +12 dps adorn on it.

Arguing about whether a bow or pouch will represent .3% of your dps outage over the course of a raid is retarded... and yes, obvious exceptions to VP 'max ranged' fights - that's different.

For most of us, melee damage accounts for almost all of our parses. For that purpose I propose to you:

Slythe's bow of flimflam - Legendary quested item you get in K Jungle.

20 agi, 5 INT, 50health, 60 power...

Dmg Rating of 102 (107-607) 7s Delay...

and + 25 CA dmg

The clincher of course, being that last item...

I shelved my Pouch of the grove and my RSB... I lost 30 STR (raid buffed irrelevance) and about 100 Health (my only complaint) but gained +25 CA and 5 INT (Minor, but it adds up)

the +25 CA x # of CA's you use during a raid > ranged dmg

Give it a look.

Wiz

Pryz

Just stop please just stop. You don't understand dps at all.

Wiz

Bahaha, he's got the matching outfit with pastel colors that gives him +3 DR bonus already - I bet he pwns math at you next.... duck!

Chix

Please explain what part he got wrong.

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Varuna

I noticed a solid increase in ranged DPS swapping out my satchel for a bow, so I've been using a bow for a long time. Though it seems the upgrade to the satchel out of VP will make throwing knives viable.

PVP, I dunno, I don't play PVP, but I'd have to say use a satchel. The extra survivability granted by throwing knives seems crucial to me over some extra damage.

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firamas

Yes, Pryz, please explain what was mathematically incorrect about what I said in regards to weapon choices, DR, and DPS? Since you seem to be so rude about it, you obviously have a better grip on combat mechanics and basic math skills, and I would kindly ask you to help lift all of us common idiots out of the muckpool of ignorance.

firamas

i cant speak to your "solid increase in ranged DPS" with a bow, but for PVP ranged, the shurikens (+5 range) and the longest range pouch you can find are usually a good choice before L80. if you can get an endgame bow, then that could be situationally better for the quick "kite jousts" that come up sometimes in pvp.