Brigand + bow = ? - Page 3

Keili · 03-25-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pryz

Just stop please just stop. You don't understand dps at all.

Don't mess with Become dude he will wall of text you to death.

Pryz · 03-25-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Keili

Don't mess with Become dude he will wall of text you to death.

I don't need to write an essay on how i will skullfuck this thread bb.

Keili · 03-25-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pryz

bb.

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Varuna · 03-26-2008, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by firamas

i cant speak to your "solid increase in ranged DPS" with a bow, but for PVP ranged, the shurikens (+5 range) and the longest range pouch you can find are usually a good choice before L80. if you can get an endgame bow, then that could be situationally better for the quick "kite jousts" that come up sometimes in pvp.

It's not a massive increase in ranged dps to switch, but enough to merit using a bow over throwing knives, and from everything I've seen you can get just as much max range from bow/arrow as pouch/knife (40m).

As for PVP, like I said, I don't play PVP, so I can't really say. I was just going with the first (potentially) logical guess that came to mind, based primarily off of that...umm...throwing knife skill we have. I haven't used it in so long that I forget what it's called

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Pett · 03-26-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by firamas

i cant speak to your "solid increase in ranged DPS" with a bow, but for PVP ranged, the shurikens (+5 range) and the longest range pouch you can find are usually a good choice before L80. if you can get an endgame bow, then that could be situationally better for the quick "kite jousts" that come up sometimes in pvp.

You don't even PvP, so how would you know?

Flayedskin · 03-27-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiz

I disagree completely with this thread.

The 'ranged' slot serves 2 purposes for Brigands (ignoring any relevance to PVP which I don't care about)...

1. Stats
2. The ability to put a +12 dps adorn on it.

Arguing about whether a bow or pouch will represent .3% of your dps outage over the course of a raid is retarded... and yes, obvious exceptions to VP 'max ranged' fights - that's different.

For most of us, melee damage accounts for almost all of our parses. For that purpose I propose to you:

Slythe's bow of flimflam - Legendary quested item you get in K Jungle.

20 agi, 5 INT, 50health, 60 power...

Dmg Rating of 102 (107-607) 7s Delay...

and + 25 CA dmg

The clincher of course, being that last item...

I shelved my Pouch of the grove and my RSB... I lost 30 STR (raid buffed irrelevance) and about 100 Health (my only complaint) but gained +25 CA and 5 INT (Minor, but it adds up)

the +25 CA x # of CA's you use during a raid > ranged dmg

Give it a look.

Wiz

The retardedness of this post is absolutely insane. Why would you want a craptastic item with craptastic procs and a craptastic damage ratting for a + to CA. Most of your bread and butter CA are not modified when you go above 350 + to CA as a brigand. So you cannot do 25 X number of CAs cause that whole theory is fucked in the head.

If you cannot get +400 to CA in a raid setting you are a fucking tool or poor...maybe both. Just from adornments you can get +90 to CA. Thugga gives 50, and a quested wrist gives 65. Right there alone is over 200 to CA increase. There are some nice items from Chelsith that give good + to CA (shoulders, legs, BP). Remember you have other cool things that increase this stat (food, bruisers, and mounts) just on those 3 items in a raid if your guild doesn't suck you are looking at increasing your base CA by over 150 (assuming it can be modified further). There are plenty of items that give good +CA damage modifiers. I personally aim for my gear +CA to be around 250 to 300...anything more then that I look for more melee crit over +CA because of the raid buffs I get.

I really don't give 2 shits about my ranged item much. I still use my t7 DT pouch cause 1) too cheap to buy ammo, and 2) it gives + to slashing. Like a previous poster stated its retarded to go to a long duration bow (9 sec) that even with a ton of haste you still have a delay time of about 5 seconds. I also often use my ranged pouch attack on a mini joust if my CA's that mean shit are down AND my autoattacks have hit simply because it does do some OK damage. Granted its not a lot of damage but its something. There isn't a fight in T1 thru T3 as a brigand you can't stay in for and eat the aoe if necessary (if you have a good healer) if you are decently equiped. VP of course is a different story.

firamas · 03-27-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pett

You don't even PvP, so how would you know?

do you have my Recent Posts page bookmarked, or do you actually have a vested interest in trolling the brigand forums instead of the Nagafen or enchanter boards where you belong? srsly dude, it's scary. i appreciate the attention, but feel free to get off my nuts whenever.

Pett · 03-27-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by firamas

do you have my Recent Posts page bookmarked, or do you actually have a vested interest in trolling the brigand forums instead of the Nagafen or enchanter boards where you belong? srsly dude, it's scary. i appreciate the attention, but feel free to get off my nuts whenever.

I have a brigand alt with more kills than your brigand main, but thanks for your concern, scrub.

Choadley · 03-27-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flayedskin

Remember you have other cool things that increase this stat (food, bruisers, and mounts) just on those 3 items in a raid if your guild doesn't suck you are looking at increasing your base CA by over 150 (assuming it can be modified further).

Fuck you, that's no reason to put a bruiser in my raid.

Mendanbar · 03-27-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Flayedskin

The retardedness of this post is absolutely insane. Why would you want a craptastic item with craptastic procs and a craptastic damage ratting for a + to CA. Most of your bread and butter CA are not modified when you go above 350 + to CA as a brigand. So you cannot do 25 X number of CAs cause that whole theory is fucked in the head.

If you cannot get +400 to CA in a raid setting you are a fucking tool or poor...maybe both. Just from adornments you can get +90 to CA. Thugga gives 50, and a quested wrist gives 65. Right there alone is over 200 to CA increase. There are some nice items from Chelsith that give good + to CA (shoulders, legs, BP). Remember you have other cool things that increase this stat (food, bruisers, and mounts) just on those 3 items in a raid if your guild doesn't suck you are looking at increasing your base CA by over 150 (assuming it can be modified further). There are plenty of items that give good +CA damage modifiers. I personally aim for my gear +CA to be around 250 to 300...anything more then that I look for more melee crit over +CA because of the raid buffs I get.

I really don't give 2 shits about my ranged item much. I still use my t7 DT pouch cause 1) too cheap to buy ammo, and 2) it gives + to slashing. Like a previous poster stated its retarded to go to a long duration bow (9 sec) that even with a ton of haste you still have a delay time of about 5 seconds. I also often use my ranged pouch attack on a mini joust if my CA's that mean shit are down AND my autoattacks have hit simply because it does do some OK damage. Granted its not a lot of damage but its something. There isn't a fight in T1 thru T3 as a brigand you can't stay in for and eat the aoe if necessary (if you have a good healer) if you are decently equiped. VP of course is a different story.

Are you running with t6 app1's? 350 CA? Is the only thing you care about Jagged Blade? I'm honestly shooting for much closer to 7-800 for our much harder hitting backstabs and other skills.