Originally Posted by Flayedskin

The retardedness of this post is absolutely insane. Why would you want a craptastic item with craptastic procs and a craptastic damage ratting for a + to CA. Most of your bread and butter CA are not modified when you go above 350 + to CA as a brigand. So you cannot do 25 X number of CAs cause that whole theory is fucked in the head.

If you cannot get +400 to CA in a raid setting you are a fucking tool or poor...maybe both. Just from adornments you can get +90 to CA. Thugga gives 50, and a quested wrist gives 65. Right there alone is over 200 to CA increase. There are some nice items from Chelsith that give good + to CA (shoulders, legs, BP). Remember you have other cool things that increase this stat (food, bruisers, and mounts) just on those 3 items in a raid if your guild doesn't suck you are looking at increasing your base CA by over 150 (assuming it can be modified further). There are plenty of items that give good +CA damage modifiers. I personally aim for my gear +CA to be around 250 to 300...anything more then that I look for more melee crit over +CA because of the raid buffs I get.

I really don't give 2 shits about my ranged item much. I still use my t7 DT pouch cause 1) too cheap to buy ammo, and 2) it gives + to slashing. Like a previous poster stated its retarded to go to a long duration bow (9 sec) that even with a ton of haste you still have a delay time of about 5 seconds. I also often use my ranged pouch attack on a mini joust if my CA's that mean shit are down AND my autoattacks have hit simply because it does do some OK damage. Granted its not a lot of damage but its something. There isn't a fight in T1 thru T3 as a brigand you can't stay in for and eat the aoe if necessary (if you have a good healer) if you are decently equiped. VP of course is a different story.

Originally Posted by Wiz

Really, proposing you put in a useful item instead of parsing .2% with 1 ranged item or .3% with a bow is retarded?

+25 to every CA you use is FAR more than what you get from a ranged item - learn your class, moron.

I wear shoulders from KorSha (field commanders 4 crit), chain leggings of the lyricst (3crit)... so pass on the fine chelsith items.... yeah, the truth is 25 more CA dmg is helpful - not to mention I think 650+ with masters is a much more reasonable goal for your CA raid total unless you're using adept1's or just plain suck at math.

To disagree is fine, but to be plain wrong AND a cockburgling flamer is just ridiculous....

I'm not sure you knew it, but brigands have a skill called amazing reflexes - if you used it you'd avoid at least 90% of all AOE's anyway. Brigands don't joust, they just build up usable buttons (which triggers our aoe avoid) to spam them during the joust call so their aoe avoid is virtually guaranteed to be up during those time periods.

Try understanding your class instead of simply being a dick - you might learn something more than how to stroke yourself into a frenzy of proving you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Yobor

Just my interpretation, its also worth mentioning that if our CA dmg is calculated like Spell dmg (I assume it is), its added after criticals, meaning if you have a high critical rating, using the top end number on a skill is a better estimator, or if you're lazy you can add about 30% to those numbers above and get int he right ballpark.

Originally Posted by Pinski

This has been tested on spells, and is incorrect information. Crits do not increase the cap, +Base Damage does not increase the cap. Nothing but STR or INT increases the cap. Displayed values are wrong.

Originally Posted by Flayedskin

CA damage increases to a maximum of 50% of the base damage of an ability. There are only a few attacks we have have a higher "base" damage 1100 or higher. Hence going above 550 only affects those abilities to a limited extent. My point behind the +CA is that after a certain point it benefits your character more to have +melee crit then +CA. I could easily have +700 CA if I wanted to, but I moved items out to increase more melee crits after I reached +450 CA self buffed.

To say a bow is awesome to use because it has only +25 CA damage doesn't outway the benefit I get from being able to use my ranged CA the few times I do during a raid with the + to CA I have. THAT is my point. You also "the +25 CA x # of CA's you use during a raid > ranged dmg." You can't calculate that since the amount of combat arts it affects is directly related to the existing # of +CA you already have. Yes +25 to CA would be +25 to all CA's if you had a CA mod of 160 or lower...You do the math. But to simply state you can is why I was saying you were retarded.

Lastly I wasn't suggesting using a ranged item for DPS, just having the pouch to use the ranged attack when I am jousting for more dps since it doesn't affect my autoattack timer then. Our ranged attack which requires one does about 1.5 to 2k damage.

Originally Posted by Chix

You seem to be under the impression that the cap is +50% of the MIN damage? Its quite the opposite, cap is +50% of MAX damage. Meaning, the +CA you can add to a 500-800 CA is 400 (800 x 0.5).

At least thats how my troub's CA's work.

Originally Posted by Chix

You seem to be under the impression that the cap is +50% of the MIN damage? Its quite the opposite, cap is +50% of MAX damage. Meaning, the +CA you can add to a 500-800 CA is 400 (800 x 0.5).

At least thats how my troub's CA's work.

Originally Posted by Flayedskin

From my testing the effective cap is 50% of the actual damage done after factoring your actual damge done.

Example for me jagged blade (adept III) does 412 - 683 unmodified damage with 891 strength. This would suppose that the CA benefit is up to 340 for me on that ability at 891 str. However with 450 CA on my abilities show 616 - 1028 which leads me to believe it does a base damage amount between 412 - 683...adds the + to CA that would benefit it...then crits it if it does this.

Example a 500 hit lands, it does 750 damage (500 + 250 CA if I have it) + 30% if it crits for a max damage total of 975 damage on that attack.

My question now is if this autoattack damage that lands on a heavily debuffed mob (aka raid situations) if the mitigation factor comes in AFTER or BEFORE the +CA mod occurs.

Aka a 500 hit with the mob -9k mitigation would probably hit more the 500 base damage on that roll. For figures sake, lets say it hits 1k base, does that mean that it benefits from +500 CA.

Conversly on damage resistant mobs is the reverse true as well. Aka the 500 hit is modified to be a 100 hit so only +50 CA affects it?

Has anyone figured this one out?