Varuna

I'm pretty sure the +CA damage comes in after mit debuffs, and is therefor increased further towards the actual amount of +CA you have (provided it's at the 50% cap of the CA used, of course.). The logical order of attack calculations would be hit/miss roll, attack vs. mitigation (or whatever it does to adjust for the target's mit), damage spread roll, crit roll, then +CA addition, but the debuffs are already on before the attack is processed.

Then again, SoE tends to be anything but logical, so it could be something like hit/miss roll, +CA damage, damage spread, crit. Which means the number would be totally static aside from STR increases to the CA...that would be stupid, but...well, you're all thinking it.

(Keep in mind I don't know deep combat mechanics, I know how damage spread and crit rolls work, that's about it, so this is all guessing! )

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Pinski

Nah, they made +CA come in before mit debuffs, so mit debuffs give you more damage from +CA.

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Varuna

If +CA came in before mit buffs, you wouldn't get extra damage, because the buff wouldn't apply unless it came before the the +CA, but essentially I think you and I are both saying the same thing.

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Pinski

CAs hit the mob, you get the +CA Damage, then the mit-debuff bonus is applied to the CA damage. THat is what I meant.

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Flayedskin

Pinski is saying something different.... This is what you are saying

You do a Combat art of 500 base damage. The mob is wearing paper cloth and is fully debuffed so that base damage is multiplied by 2

500X2 = 1000

Now CA's com into effect after this damage is done so if you had +500 to CA you would get 1500 damage done...this is then followed by the melee crit chance for added damage.

What Pinski is saying is you do 500 damage. +CA comes into play at this point and if you have 250 CA you now do a base damage of 750.

750X2 = 1500 after the mit debuff.

The difference between the two numbers is the base CA needed for maximumm effect.

Heres a more extreme example.

Your Master racial strike hits a gnoll for 2000 base damage. The monster is fully debuffed so your damage does 2X the initial amount. You also have +700 to CA.

Your method of computing...
2000X2 = 4000 + 700 = 4700 total damage done.

Pinski's
(2000 + 700)X2= 5400 total damage done.

The difference between what you think and what pinksi says are not noticeable until you do some of your more higher damage attacks.

I figured that it probably worked the way pinski was saying...but my question was more towards asking people if they knew for sure from parses.

Varuna

Not quite, I was saying that +CA damage is the last thing added to decide the actual damage of a strike, and therefor, str, debuffs, melee crit, etc. and up the returns from +CA (provided your +CA is over the regular 50% cap of the skill being used).

For instance, say you use Jagged Blade for like 1200 damage, and you have +750 CA damage. Normally you'd miss out on +150 CA damage. So EQ2 calculates wether you hit or miss, then calculates where on the damage spread you land (compensating for debuffs which are on the mob), then calculates wether or not you crit, then uses your final damage to recalculate how much of your +CA you're actually getting.

(These aren't actual numbers, obviously)
1200 dmg + moderately debuffed mob would hit for, say, 1700 damage. You land a crit, therefor the attack does 2,000 damage. So EQ2 says alright, up to +1000 CA damage will take effect on this attack. You have +750 CA damage, so you get it all, where as you'd only get +600 on the CA's regular damage spread.

I figure if strength alone ups your CA damage, hence raising the cap of your +CA (not the percent, where the percent lands), then mit debuffs and melee crit must effect it as well. It's 50% of the CA's max damage, but there are plenty of ways to alter the CA's max damage on the fly. I'll go over to the training wall later and see if I can figure anything out.

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Pinski

That information is completely wrong.

You have a CA that does 1000-1500, and you have +900 CA. You swing and it hits for 1500 pre-debuffs. You then also crit, so you get to 1950. Well, you only get +750 CA because it hit for 1500, so you're now at 2700, now mit debuffs are applied to the mob and you gain the extra 75% damage from mit debuffs and do 4725.

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Chix

Where are you getting 75% and 100% more damage from mit debuffs? Fully debuffed is 50% more damage, AFAIK.

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Flayedskin

I am making an assumption here but if Mob debuffs work like player debuffs you can go + or - 75% damage. That damage also scales of course.

Chix

Well I cant be 100% certain, but I know solo mobs cap out at 50% more damage (from mit debuffs). And by looking at my CA/spell high hits on raids, it seems to be the case on epics also.

Anywhoo, OT.

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