Marfoir

Ok so I have a few questions on when to use appeal for mercy. The reason I am asking is because I have used it in several different situations and they all seem to be the bad one except two.

Situation 1 (bad): Tank pulls and places the mobs in a group, healer gets agro on one of the encounter mobs so I cast appeal for mercy on the healer and bam the mobs go to the cloth wearing finger waggling mage type. Result dead mage

Situation 2 (bad): Fighting a group encounter overzealous finger wiggler cast rift, fusion, hand full of sand in vasoline at the mobs and gets agro on half the encounter, I cast appeal for mercy one goes to me, ones goes to the healer, one goes to the other cloth type. Result: dead mage, hurt brigand, hurt healer and another dead finger wiggler type

Situation 3 (oh so very very bad, and yes I learned my lesson): Memory wiping mobs, in a SoH pug raid at the boss that has the nasty frontal AE and memwipes, well he does his thing one of the healers eats a hit and without thinking I cast appeal for mercy ( mob was already at the tanks) thinking that hey a tank will be able to pick it up easier and my local patch me up type will love me because they didn’t have to lay down and look at the floor till a dirge was nice enough to rez them. Ok this sucked bad the mob just starts walking thru the raid beating up every finger wiggler, song singer, and stabity stab stabber. Just ot make sure this was not a fluke, and partially because well I am a noobcake I did the same thing again another time with the same results. Result I don’t use appeal for mercy in raids anymore

Situation 4 (good result) I duo a lot with a defiler, sometimes a wandering mob will add, I cast appeal for mercy on her and bam the mob is on me no problems. Result this is a tried and true method for me to continue being healed

Situation 5 (mixed results): In (insert instance name here) I occasionally pull agro from the tank and hideaway isn’t up so I appeal for mercy on myself. I have to say most the time it goes back to the tank, sometimes though it goes wherever the hell it wants to go. Result I still use it in this situation.

So there you go, I think I have explained my problem, any insight would be appreciated

Scoundril

First off.. FU and your "ratonga, it's whats for dinner."

That being said, Appeal for mercy CANNOT be cast on a fighter. If you use it in a raid and agro goes everywhere, that means your fighter cant hold agro in the first place. Appeal for merct acts as an intercept/deagro for any healer/mage/scout you put it on. They take a hit and their threat position lowers by one and you basically split the damage in half with the person who was hit. This is good for 3 hits.

Good uses for this are in EVERY situation you mentioned. It really just sounds to me like the issue is more of a tank problem than an appeal for mercy problem. Appeal for Mecry can be used all the time to save someone who ganks agro to keep the tank from having to scramble after that random mob.

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Leks

Can be useful too on :
- pet pull
- defiler calls casting a Soul Ward
- predator buddy going frenzy (dps is sometime coming in a scout form :P Appeal is not only for cloth)

This CA is very cool not because of the crappy 3hits interception but mainly because of the -1K2hate/-1pos.

Oh, and yes, Appeal can't be cast on a fighter *anymore*, but it was some times ago, and it was fun.

Tank says : "with enough time, I can build aggro so nobody can steal it"
Brig says : "kk, tell me when you're holding it hard"
Tank says : "try now "
Brig : Appeal on tank + Ruse
Tank says : "wtf?!1!"

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Marfoir

Would 'Ratonga, the other white meat' suit you better?

Marfoir

Ya I use it on those situations as well, just didn't want to write out every single instance of me using it. I was just giving a few examples ot how i use it to see if I was doing something wrong.

As far as it not being able to cast on fighters anymore REALLY? the part of the CA where it says 'if not a fighter' confused me a bit . anyways thanks for letting me know that I am not necessarily using it wrong.

Scoundril

From the sounds of it, you are using it just fine.

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Rhymez

i made a macro , target is myself
im the only one who really needs it mostly
and tbh does anyone really have the time to cast this on someone during a fight ?

I for myself have for sure something better to do than watching all dpsers in the raid
things like stayin myself alive when hideaway is down :P

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Echelon

Appeal for mercy pwns. There's no way around it, it's raid usability can be great. You can save your own ass, or someone elses. If I am buffed to all hell and I know as soon as I hit dispatched + all my damage I'm getting agro, well before I start that I hit appeal on myself. This way I don't have to stop half way through damage to hit fuckin hideaway. I hit hideaway after , saves me some time. I use this ability and my honor among thieves everytime they are up on Trakanon. It works great to save those assholes with no resists. I tend to appeal myself most of the time on that and honor among thieves on some bastard who dies a lot.

All in all like Scoundril said, it's a tank issue not your issue. You are using appeal like it should be used, it's your tanks fault for not getting agro(or others dpsing to soon). Your problem is you are hitting appeal on someone and its dropping them 1 position, thus going to the next highest hate position which SHOULD have been your tank on pull. In the cases you stated this was not the truth, instead a mage or healer was getting agro. Next time this happens say what I say, "TAUNT THE MOB DAMN IT!"

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Tanks I know always pull with their least resistible combat art / spell.

I know its semantics, but taunts are not the best to keep aggro right after pull.

Maybe the tank needs to learn how to tank a raid mob.

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