Bozidar

Where would you rank the importance of spell crit for a brigand?

Drifter

Right under the importance of heal crit, try to max heal crit first and foremost.

Mrhappy

spell crit is cool if its on a piece of gear but... its not NEEDED

Cohonil

You do not need spell crit. Melee Crit, Double Attack, DPS and +CA gear is what you'll want to find or buy (if non-raider) or end up with (raider). ;) Luckily, brigs do not have to balance shit out as much stat-wise as SKs or dirges or whatever hybrids. Check the sticky post for RoK gear and you will get a pretty good idea, casual or HARDCORERAIDEROMFUCKINGG!1uno1

Hmmmm. I can't seem to type correctly. I think I spend too much time creating macros such as:

/ra ~~~DISPATCHED~~~ %T !!11arg!1 OMFGYOUBITCHESDAMGETHATCOCKSUCKER!!! 8============= - -- - -- - pew pew pew ---- -- --- :D

..when I was spending waaay too much time on VP/Trak.


I imagine there will be a solid TSO list at some point soon. I have a couple pieces from Tomb of Mad Crusader that I are upgrades from decent VP gear. I hear that the TSO merchant shard gear is pretty nice as well for the casual type. I have pretty much only logged in for raids so far so have barely cracked the solo/group content.


....then again I could have just posted, "spell crit for brigs is like nipples on a breastplate."

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Lirnev - Swash
Cohonil - Brigand

Rambo

if you can cap melee crit, da, dps, haste @ same time, then you can think about going to spell crit.

fyi: spell crit is for posion and proc damages.

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Bozidar

Yeah, i have raided casually on my brigand, and somewhat more extensively on my troub. I understand what spell crit does.

Recently a complete and total noob rogue looted a piece with spell crit on it. I remarked that it wasn't really a brig piece, more of a bard or shaman piece. Things progressed and half a dozen people were explaining to me that spell crit helps the poison damage.

Meanwhile, alls i could think of was the sort of witty retorts above ^^ (i.e. right after heal crit, or nipples on a breastplate)

So how much of a brigands damage really is poison based? Let's assume they're in a group with an illy, dirge, fighter, inquis, and an assassin.

How much of their damage, percentage wise, is going to come from their poison damage? Correct me if i'm wrong, but when the non-damage poisons crit they dont slow for more, or debuff more agility.. so it's just the damage based poisons that crit, right? As for reactive proc damage, let's assume we're in a raid, and the brig getting hit equates to the brig wasting time deaggroing himself or reviving. for other procs.. i guess figure them into the equation too.

As a troub I know that my spell proc damage buffs add between 12 and 20% to the casters i group with. How does this translate to the melee groups?

Rambo

it was 4% of my summary dps on last time in tombs.
with aa speced it could be even 6-8% i think.

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ldog

Caustic poison accounts for a large chunk of damage. Extended dps is highest of all non-melee (ymmv) a little bit above pirate strike (which also does quite a lot of damage). My CAs are mostly A3 but I do have a few M1 (including B&A and enfeeb). That being said iirc spell crit does not affect poison damage. Even if it does the point is pretty moot. I can't see sacrificing things like crit/dbl atk/ca dmg/dps/haste to gain spell crit.

Cohonil

It should only affect damage output from poisons (hemo, caustic, mental, vitality, etc) and any spell-based procs from gear (Lifespike, etc.). It does not affect our CAs or autoattacks. Unless something has been changed.

edit: I think Rambo is correct with the ~4-8% Ext DPS depending on AAs. I haven't checked my logs post-TSO, but I should have some from VP/Trak, Tombs or whatever.

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Lirnev - Swash
Cohonil - Brigand

TheEasternking

what a lot of miss-information

check your ACT next few zonewides. usually im 20% of total zw dps from shit that uses spell crits. thats right 1/5th of my total DPS i have very very low crit for.
if you think ignoring 20% of your total dps is a good thing as a dps scout then more power to you.

Poisons
weapon procs
item procs
Caco
Aria
Potm
Pom
Tombs proc
any other proc you get from others usually 99.9% of the time uses spell crit

if it was so fucking useless Aeralik would not have give preds 52% spell crit from AA's.
next time you look over ACT logs when you have merged your zonewide's if you ever wonder why mr assassin is always 25-30% more crit hits than you on a zw, but your nearly identical MC, this is the reason why.

spell crits are always base+1 just like Ca's are now. no class should be ignoring getting crits for 20% of its zw dps.