Tips'n'Tricks - Page 3

Choadley · 04-04-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias Fünke

when they give me a dirge and coercer in my raid group every time maybe i'll respec but good point :-)

i guess you could also say that any raid that needed a brigand to intercept damage on the MT doesn't deserve to be raiding, either :-)

Totally different thing Tobias and I think Appeal is a great skill that many Brigs underutilize. I used to use it on the main tank in the 3 Princes fight to help any tank that had problems transferring hate to the next in the rotation. You'll never hear me say anything bad about Appeal. That skill is still awesome for Tactician's Armor. I'm still mad it doesn't work on fighters anymore. I used to have a ball using it on the MT and complaining that he couldn't hold agro.

I was merely pointing out that even with one regen, which you are likely to have every time out, you should be able to keep power for the whole encounter. If you never have power problems and the ability to use breach at any time, there is no point to H.A.T. IMO, but I think you got that from my previous post already.

kyros · 04-04-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Choadley

Just be vigilant with your manastone, potions, hearts/shards, overflowing vessel, totems for between combat regen, etc...you should already have a regen class in your group on raids as well, sometimes two. Why spend that many AAs to get something you can do without?

i'm not a big fan of spending a lot of time casting hearts, shards, potions, etc during combat. i bet you on any fight that you have to use all of those things to keep your power up, your dps with caustic is equivalent to your dps with mental breach because you don't have to stop and cast stuff for power.

caustic is obviously more dps if you don't need to worry about power. if i know i'm gonna get low during a fight, i'll just use mental breach to begin with.

Choadley · 04-04-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kyros

i'm not a big fan of spending a lot of time casting hearts, shards, potions, etc during combat. i bet you on any fight that you have to use all of those things to keep your power up, your dps with caustic is equivalent to your dps with mental breach because you don't have to stop and cast stuff for power.

caustic is obviously more dps if you don't need to worry about power. if i know i'm gonna get low during a fight, i'll just use mental breach to begin with.

Nah, most encounters you don't need many of them at all; only the really long ones. I have used both ways, breach and caustic, and I always come up noticeably higher using caustic. I used to think breach was better so you could spam and be at full power, but I was proven wrong by a guildmate. You know as well as I do that most encounters don't last long enough to fully drain you of power. Any left over power at the end of named fight that you have could've been poison damage procs. If you are jousting an AE at all, you have plenty of time to use a power regen item, especially a manastone on the run. AE dodging encounters are the only ones that last long enough to drain you, other then stuff like Matron, CMF, and Avatars.

As far as the regen items, you can use them with totems and group regen in between trash fights to keep your power pool up for the next quick fight.

Tobias Fünke · 04-04-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Choadley

Totally different thing Tobias and I think Appeal is a great skill that many Brigs underutilize. I used to use it on the main tank in the 3 Princes fight to help any tank that had problems transferring hate to the next in the rotation. You'll never hear me say anything bad about Appeal. That skill is still awesome for Tactician's Armor. I'm still mad it doesn't work on fighters anymore. I used to have a ball using it on the MT and complaining that he couldn't hold agro.

right, and my point is that HAT works on fighters. granted, it doesn't have the incredible encounter de-agro that appeal has, but it still intercepts 50% of incoming damage on a fighter. it also lets you intercept without fucking up the agro list.

all i'm saying is, if there are brigs who like 1H, brigs who like DW, brigs who like mental breach, and brigs who like caustic, there will probably be a brig like me who likes HAT. :-)

make a thread called "tips and tricks only for brigands in end-game raiding guilds with perfect group setups" and i won't post in it, i promise.

Manyak · 04-04-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kyros

for me, i've found that: wurmslayer + vampiric axe of balance > chel'drak's shard

i believe it. im not a big fan of 1hers anyway :p

now, lets ASSUME you needed the power from H.A.T. if you put the minimum amount of points in the potency (i HOPE you have this) and defending lines, that leaves u with 8 points free. With those 8 points, its impossible to max out the AR AA. Without the AR AA, you have alot less of a chance of being able to stay in an AE, which means more jousting, less DPS, and less debuffing.

sure you can loose shrouded blade and ruckus easily, since pretty much no epic has the deflection skill, and enough classes debuff attack speed that you dont really NEED the bonus cuz itll prolly be capped anyway. but between AR and HAT, AR definately gives alot more of a benefit. worst comes to worst, switch poisons mid fight.

kyros · 04-04-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Manyak

With those 8 points, its impossible to max out the AR AA. Without the AR AA, you have alot less of a chance of being able to stay in an AE, which means more jousting, less DPS, and less debuffing.

AR isn't reliable enough on any encounter with an AE that matters even with 5 points in the amazing reflexes enhancement.

Manyak · 04-04-2007, 08:10 PM

true, but its more reliable than HAT :p

Choadley · 04-05-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias Fünke

right, and my point is that HAT works on fighters. granted, it doesn't have the incredible encounter de-agro that appeal has, but it still intercepts 50% of incoming damage on a fighter. it also lets you intercept without fucking up the agro list.

all i'm saying is, if there are brigs who like 1H, brigs who like DW, brigs who like mental breach, and brigs who like caustic, there will probably be a brig like me who likes HAT. :-)

make a thread called "tips and tricks only for brigands in end-game raiding guilds with perfect group setups" and i won't post in it, i promise.

I have no issues with that at all. Everyone has their own preferences and I'm not trying to push mine on anyone. I just like discussing the stuff.

Choadley · 04-05-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kyros

AR isn't reliable enough on any encounter with an AE that matters even with 5 points in the amazing reflexes enhancement.

I'll never defend what they did to AR, but with 5 points in it and a Dirge in group, I find it useful still. Yeah, there are always the encounters that you should never even chance, but stuff like PHH, for example, it's useful. Not what it was, but not totally discountable either. Meh...

Flayedskin · 04-05-2007, 12:39 PM

1) I guess this is skill is obvious to most brig players, but I thought I would toss this tidbit out as well. In most group encounters, and always against 2 mobs groups. I cast debil, dispatch, rake, and then doubleup. However, if you are assisting and press tab key to target the other mob PRIOR to using double up, you can get all 3 debuffs easily on BOTH mobs.

2) When fighting 1 mob my cast order is debil, dispatch, rake, malicious, then doubleup. This does more base damage against 1 mob then doing it after debil.

3) When fighting multiple heroic mobs I cast underground negotiation, malicious assault, desparing thrust, and then double up....since the warlocks finish the encounter to fast otherwise. I'll focus on the epic generally there after with a more normal lead in.