Diany

I'll be honest, i'm pretty happy with how brigand dps and playstyle is right now. I can dps pretty well, at least I can usually keep up in the top 5 in parse, we may not be over the top in parses like a swashy and assassin, but I don't think that's all bad. Our debuffs make up for it. Sure I wouldn't mind some fancy big CA like assassins or the swashy's hurricane, but then we have double up and I really love mixing and matching that spell.

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Pickme

It just so happens that I consider wards as heals, sure it may be a different way to heal but its still healing when you look at a heal parse.

Brigands do parse higher than swashies on single targets, if your not consistently beating a swashie on single targets than he is either in a better group than yours, he has better equipment than you, or you need to learn your class better. Hell even a well played assassin won't beat us every time on single targets.

I never complained about our dps, my complaint is with the people that think we should do less damage than an assassin or swashie just because we have dispatch, devitalize, and ruinous rake. I would compare these debuffs to the hate transfer that swashies and assassins get that allow them to be in the better groups which makes their dps so much higher than ours.

Ishbu

One thing I think people always take for granted is that the brigand knows exactly when dispatch is going in and can have everything lined up that they wish to use. Nobody else can come close to the accuracy the brigand has.

Oh, and given the same skill, gear, and group brigand = swashbuckler = assassin in dps.

We rotate people around in our 3 main groups for these classes and the only consistancy is that the class in the better group beats the others.

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Bayang Uzur

Meh! I Hear this excuse everytime I beat someone on a parse. I Don't buy it. I'm pretty consistent with my timeing of when I use Dispatch.

If people can time an aoe, I'm sure they can figure out a way to time their spells/combat arts to take Dispatch into effect if they wanted. 17 seconds is not that small a window to hit.

Ishbu

Every split second matter to people who are serious about their dps. If you dont think it matters, you arent doing everything you can to do dps.

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Yobor

This is simply not true. I've actually logged in someone elses swash with less gear than my brigand and started parsing better having never raided a swash. If you have another brigand in raid, swapping out the second brig for a swashbuckler will be a net gain in dps. If this isn't the case for you, your swash is slacking or less skilled than your brigand. About the only time I can think of where this isn't true is if you are talking about a group that heavily buffs haste; in which case I would expect them to be pretty similar due to the fact that swashes are already close to the haste cap with self buffs.

I'm not sure exactly how assassins fit into the picture because I've never raided one.

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Ishbu

Thats funny because out swash can top zonewides over 2.5k, our brigand can top zonewides over 2.5k, and before he had to quit, our assassin could top zonewides over 2.5k. Now unelss your saying you got on a swashbuckler and did over 3k zonewides, your statement means a whole lot of jack.

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Yobor

Me saying I got on a swashbuckler and did over 3k zonewide would have no relation to my initial arguement. Clearly you lack a basic understanding of carrying out experiments and interpreting the results so I'll give you a little bit of a review.

When conducting an experiment you try to minimize the number of variables such that that the only thing that is different is the thing you are trying to test. Based on the previous comments on the thread, your experiment went like this, player1 on swash1 vs. player2 on brig1. In your test the class AND player skill are variables which effect DPS. No one with any understanding of proper testing methodology would interpret this to say brigands and swashbucklers do the same dps. Anyone that posesses a rational thought process can look at this and say "hmmm, looks like its possible that the skill differental between the players involved could offset any potential differences between the classes".

In my experiment, player1 on brig1 is compared to player1 on swash1. In my test player skill is not a variable, the class is. Therefore when I say the dps results of player1 on the swash was higher than player1 on the brig, rational people are able to see this is a valid test and draw the logical conclusion that all things being equal *including player skill* swashbucklers are superior to brigands from a dps prespective.

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Yobor

Now back to the original topic of the post. I think that brigand dps is probably right about where it should be. I think swashes are probably a little bit on the high side, and assassins could use a little bit of a dps related buff.

I think assassins should be sitting right around where rangers are and as it is now they are about 25% lower when totally geared out. As it stands, assassins offer less utility than swashbucklers, and their ability to deliver high dps is largely situtation due to stealth related issues.

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Ishbu

Or your dps as a brigand is inferior to what other brigands can do. I have never seen a zonewide parse from a swashbuckler that is superior to what our brigand can do. So your saying then, that our brigand is a better player than all swashbucklers world wide and if he betrayed to a swashbuckler he would parse so insanely high people would think the world is ending?

Thats an absolutely ridiculous statement. There are people who are quite capable of playing swashbucklers to their fullest out there, and they do so. The fact that they are not doing these huge parses that are heads above what I have personally witnessed brigands parse means that at the top of the game, the classes are equal. Just because you could parse higher on a swashbuckler doesnt mean you would parse higher than all brigands out there.

EDIT - I dont like the way that came out. Im not saying your a bad player at all, in fact Ive never played with you nor seen any parses of yours that I can recall. What Im saying is that there is always room for improvement. Lets face it, these classes arent hard to play, if you play a brigand getting on a swashbuckler is easy as hell.

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