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Old 04-07-2007, 06:37 AM  
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Or your dps as a brigand is inferior to what other brigands can do.
There is nothing I can really do to prove or disprove this statement. I think people that have been guilded with me throughout the years will disagree with you, but regardless this has no impact on the discussion at hand. As mentioned before, since my ability is constant between the two tests, whether I'm god's gift to eq2 or the crappiest player to login really has no effect on the results.

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I have never seen a zonewide parse from a swashbuckler that is superior to what our brigand can do. So your saying then, that our brigand is a better player than all swashbucklers world wide and if he betrayed to a swashbuckler he would parse so insanely high people would think the world is ending?
Carefully re-read the above statement, absolutely no where does it say anything remotely close to that. While it certainly sounds like you've got a skilled brigand in your guild, I don't think him betraying would trigger the second coming, but I've been wrong before.

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Thats an absolutely ridiculous statement.
Full agreement.

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There are people who are quite capable of playing swashbucklers to their fullest out there, and they do so. The fact that they are not doing these huge parses that are heads above what I have personally witnessed brigands parse means that at the top of the game, the classes are equal.
No it doesn't mean that at all. You seem to be under the impression that just because you haven't been guilded with someone that can produce a certain result that it cannot exist. I've never been guilded with a conj that consistantly tops zonewides. I have seen you claim to do so elsewhere. Using your stream of logic, since I haven't witnessed it, conj's do not top zonewides. Clearly this isn't likely to be the case, you have no real motivation to fabricate something like this and honestly, neither do I.

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Just because you could parse higher on a swashbuckler doesnt mean you would parse higher than all brigands out there.
You're totally right here, and no where did I claim to do so.

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EDIT - I dont like the way that came out. Im not saying your a bad player at all, in fact Ive never played with you nor seen any parses of yours that I can recall. What Im saying is that there is always room for improvement. Lets face it, these classes arent hard to play, if you play a brigand getting on a swashbuckler is easy as hell.
Truer words were never spoken. I don't think any of the classes are inherently difficult to play and no where will you see me making an arguement to the contrary.

But I still maintain that if you've got 23 people in your raid and you already have a brigand and a swash, if that 24th person plays a swashbuckler, they will produce more dps than an equally geared brigand. Its not a super ultra mega insane difference of death from hell, I don't think it will cause any parsers to catch on fire, and its certainly not going to make the world come to an end. But it is a noticable difference, and based on my experience averages out to somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% depending on the ratio of single target to ae mobs.
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Old 04-08-2007, 09:47 PM  
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No it doesn't mean that at all. You seem to be under the impression that just because you haven't been guilded with someone that can produce a certain result that it cannot exist. I've never been guilded with a conj that consistantly tops zonewides. I have seen you claim to do so elsewhere. Using your stream of logic, since I haven't witnessed it, conj's do not top zonewides. Clearly this isn't likely to be the case, you have no real motivation to fabricate something like this and honestly, neither do I.
No Im saying i havent seen a parse linked for a swashbuckler ever even in any guild for this. Ive seen my share of parses and I just havent seen one ever.
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Ishbu for once let your brigands/rogue talk for you and stop talking from what you've seen. You play a conjuror your not playing us. Leave it to us and stop trying to get your post count up. Anything you say is out one ear and the other anyways.
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Old 04-09-2007, 02:12 AM  
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Back on topic. I agree 100% pickme about dps. Lets face it, when the game first started and we were choosing our class there were different options. For me I saw rogue and thought dps. I never thought a predator should outdps a rogue.

I picked the class to be a dps, not a melee shaman. I'd rather they took away the mit debuffs and gave them back to inquisators then be subpar dps.

Btw.. damn, 2.5k zonewide dps? That's pretty good. At the end of KoS before I quit I was hitting 1.6k so that's a huge jump.
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:24 AM  
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Ish - maybe if your Swashies and Brigs are matching, it's your swashies who are slacking
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:43 AM  
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Give that swash a dirge and coercer... none should beat him.
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Give that swash a dirge and coercer... none should beat him.
This is what our Swashbucker has in the MT group and nobody can touch him, period.
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This is what our Swashbucker has in the MT group and nobody can touch him, period.


I think you missed the keyword AND.

otherwise your MT group only has 2 healers.
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I think you missed the keyword AND.

otherwise your MT group only has 2 healers.
Right, we always roll with 2 healers in the tank group, we only use 3 on hard encounters.
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"Give that swash a dirge and coercer... none should beat him."

Do you people realize that if u give many classes a stacked group that they also can top the parses? For example if i gave ishbu 2xwizzards and a troub he would beat the shit out of almost anybody. What if we gave calaglin the same group and let him use his pet, he would top the parses also. In stacked groups many thing are possible. U guys either play with really shitty skilled or geared players if u think swashes with that group set up could top any parse with that group set up.


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