Rambo

dude, you should teach the self-critism.

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firamas

I don't see why this is being viewed as "a big fuck you" to brigands. Is any raid leader not going to invite a brigand because they debuff physical only now, instead of physical+magical? That doesn't make any sense at all. You aren't losing any self-DPS, you still retain the utility of massive physical debuffs (which the raid will always need)... so what's the big fuckin deal?

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Deson

Losing a key feature of the class and not yet seeing what's replacing it. After recent history I'm hostile to just about everything Aeralik comes up with by default because he seems to do a poor job thinking things through or making balance feel like background instead of forced mechanics. At this point his record combined with the human tendency to never want to give up power makes people knee jerk when something negative gets mentioned. If you could trust him not to screw it up, I doubt people would be this up in arms so early.

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firamas

My point is nothing needs to replace it. You aren't going to have a raid leader turning you away because you can no longer debuff against magic. Physical mit is just as important. You're just giving another class archetype the chance to be "needed" in raids in the same way you are.

Imagine if the situation was the other way around. Rogues and summoners were still both T2 DPS, except in this alternate reality the summoners had the brigand's current mit debuffs attached to their spells instead. Tell me how the fuck you'd feel if you went through years of being told you weren't wanted in raids, in guilds, in groups... because all you brought was T2 DPS and virtually no utility. You wouldn't think, as a brigand, that this was a fair solution for all involved?

There's a lot of selfish people here who are being unreasonable and don't care a whole lot about a fair and balanced game.

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Deson

I play a summoner. I'm just commenting on the general aspects of Aeralik and why people get nervous when he touches stuff. In any event, it's not just about the debuff, it's about the host of things he could touch without zero summing it that would make summoners more wanted. Necros( my class) have a ton of utility already that's totally useless because of the execution and tons more from the lore/franchise history that's adaptable. There's no reason Brigs can't keep the magic debuff and summoners just have their utility tweaked to mean something so they are actually desired in game. His zero summing balance makes me nervous that instead of basing raid slots on desirablility, he wants to force as many of the classes on a raid as he can through brute mechanics force.

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Darq

i don't know about your conj but ours competes with locks and wizzies dpswise
the necro doesn't but has his top of the parse moments

also if it was the way you wrote i wouldn't take away another class defining abilities and cripple them so i can have them, i'd want something unique for my class, not a crippled copy of another class' abilities.

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Firesouled

It's not really fair and balanced. Not to bemoan the things brigands don't have that the other DPS scout classes have, but taking away buffs from us and giving them to summoners will not make summoners more desirable. If summoners need work, they need -work- not this zero sum crap where nothing is ever added, just taken away or shifted sideways. Some raids don't take a brigand at all, some take just one, and many bring no summoners and STILL will not bring a summoner if this change is implemented as is. That being the case, I don't see what purpose it serves really.

Darq

Then again, if i wanted to play a swash i would've rolled one, but i didn't.
What's the point of classes when every class has the same abilities?

So when a swashbuckler does more single dps than a brigand is the solution to increase brigand's single dps or increase its aoe dps? The correct answer is increase single dps and improve hate management.

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Moccasin

You're an angry little shit, eh? Have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

Debuffing only physical mit is hardly a fair trade considering the majority of the raid's dps comes from magical sources when everything is totaled up.

If dispatch is only a physical mit debuff, then the entire raid loses out to an extent as the physical mit portion of the ability did not afford the biggest overall bonus...not that it sucked for melee or anything.

BTW...giving us hurricane or more AE dps as someone suggested...if they are going to make it nearly impossible to tell us apart from swashs, let's just combine the classes and be done with it.

Fizbiz

Actually class changes are a zero sum game in that as the current mechanics are there are only so many pieces of the pie to dole out. If one class needs a bigger slice of the pie so to say then that portion has to come from somewere or some other class basicly.

I play conjuror and we need some serious utility or dps to make us raid worthy to be honest. The developers have made it clear they do not want us to be top dps so utility is what they are going to give us.

But no one likes having something taken away from them so being pissed is understandable.

Honestly I think we should get some of the ridiculous overpowered illy and bard shit lol. And I have an 80 illy 80 troub and soon to be 80 dirge. Those classes are fun but its fucking ridiculous that you have to have 3 illys and 3 dirges or 2 troubs and 2 dirges in a raid.

The only way for SOE to not take something from one class to buff another is to completely change the game mechanics. And thats really not a good idea imo.