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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    Aye maybe not for Brigs, but for everyone else not having AA's or foci affect the replacement skills is kinda lame. I have the AA spent in Shenanigans simply because I do use it in raids occasionally for loose adds and whatnot. I usually play tanks, so this skill allows me to be a mini-tank in a pinch.

    However, with Strongarm, I would want to use it purely for DPS purposes and 2 hate positions is way more manageable than 5
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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Camryn View Post
    Pathway options, Path 2:
    First ability: Mercy or Anger: Replaces Beg for Mercy. Basically allows you to put it on a fighter and while active, it is a 50% hate xfer to the fighter. If the target is yourself, or a non fighter, it is the same.
    Am I reading this right... Is this a constant hate transfer of 50%? If so this is HUGE. Like game changing for a brigand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anditron3000 View Post
    Am I reading this right... Is this a constant hate transfer of 50%? If so this is HUGE. Like game changing for a brigand.
    It's for 15 seconds and therefore shit
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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocello View Post
    It's for 15 seconds and therefore shit
    Then it is completely and utterly useless. Wow.

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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    The Beg for Mercy change would actually be useful, it Beg for Mercy had a much shorter recast time. In an ideal world, it would have 1 min base recast.. so basically active for every Double Up sequence (which is when Brigs generate the most hate anyways). Even if it was 2 min base recast, you could use it every other double-up round. But with the current reuse on Beg for Mercy, yes I agree, this really isn't a great ability at all.

    It is obvious what Xelgad is going for in our lines. One is DPS focused (Shenanigans change) and the other line will be Utility based (Beg for Mercy line). So I'd expect the end abilities to be in a similar flavor as well. So maybe come up with Utility-based suggestions for a possible change to Beg for Mercy ability and maybe we could get him to bite and make a change.
    AR procing for the group definitely would fill in a utility role, hah!

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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    That is what Xelgrad is going for and there is a thread speaking of just that. The problem he is taking a very old combat art, shennagans, and making us pay via a prestige point to fix it. Strong Arm should outright replace the combat art and the aa should be redone seperately of the new presitge tree. Anger and Mercy is not useless but so limited it might as well be. Low blow is almost useless because the top 1/4 of a mobs helath is gone so fast we will see very little gain here. Strong arm has dps but a straight hate increaser on top of the that? This one doesnt belong at all in the tree nor does it partner on the left side that has us using this hate gainer (single target no less) to trigger the reset of our hardest hitting AE. The left side makes no sense at all.

    There is a thread running on the main eq2 forums where some of us have commented on the tree. Please go there and give some feedback with some alternative ideas.. The last time we got a chance to speak up we got cornered so it really does help sometimes.

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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    heres the deal, this is gonna present problems for brigs..u can only use low blow at the beginning of encounters and every brig is going to be tempted to double up if it does quadruple the damage..were gonna pull aggro.same deal for strongarm ..the only way to use strongarm would be to use evasive manuevers and shadowslip right before .my raid leader gonna hate me for pulling aggro every pull cuase its too damn tempting.

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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by baritonejohn View Post
    heres the deal, this is gonna present problems for brigs..u can only use low blow at the beginning of encounters and every brig is going to be tempted to double up if it does quadruple the damage..were gonna pull aggro.same deal for strongarm ..the only way to use strongarm would be to use evasive manuevers and shadowslip right before .my raid leader gonna hate me for pulling aggro every pull cuase its too damn tempting.
    Ohellyes it's too tempting. This is why it shouldnt go live as is. Brigs already have a shitty time with hate, thanks devs for making us almost un-group-withable. In raids I think you can still pull it off, even if it by using Evasive and Shadowslip it will be worth it.


    In all honesty, the new AA should DROP us 2 spots to make up for how long the skill has sucked hairy balls. Think about it: Swashies and Assassins both have hate transfers to effectively manage aggro; why not give Rangers and Brigands constant hate position drops to manage ours?
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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    don't see the problem. beg for mercy on the tank just before doing it.
    It's only weird if it doesn't work.

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    Default Re: New Brigand Prestige Abilities

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoss View Post
    don't see the problem. beg for mercy on the tank just before doing it.
    Not sure what you mean here. If you mean Strongarm, then Beg for Mercy doesn't work on tanks. And the concern with Strongarm isnt about pulling aggro and dying (we can beg for mercy on ourselves), but you run the risk of turning the mob and killing others.

    If you mean use the new Beg
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